Is Abbas trying to distract Egyptian media?

[Jefferson23]

Abbas, dumbest asshole of the bunch.

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — During a meeting with Egyptian journalists on the evening of Nov. 8, in Cairo, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas leveled accusations against Hamas of holding direct negotiations with Israel in order to annex part of the Sinai Peninsula to the Gaza Strip. Hamas categorically denied these accusations and accused Abbas of pursuing personal goals through these statements.


Al-Arabiya news website quoted Abbas as saying, “The Sinai project was on the discussion table between Hamas and Israel during the era [of Egyptian President Mohammed] Morsi to annex 1,000 [square] kilometers from the Sinai territory to expand Gaza.” Abbas said he rejected the projected, adding, “We will not accept one centimeter of Egyptian land.”

According to the website, Abbas said that Abdel Fattah al-Sisi — who is now president but was defense minister under Morsi — issued a decree during Morsi's rule classifying Sinai territory as a matter of national security, thereby shutting the door on the proposal. Abbas stressed that discussions on the proposal are still ongoing between Hamas and Israel.

For his part, Mousa Abu Marzouk, a member of Hamas’ political bureau, criticized Abbas' remarks in Cairo and posted on his Facebook page Nov. 9, “We have no intention of trading any inch of the Palestinian lands against other territories, contrary to all allegations and fabrications. We do not negotiate with Israel, we will not recognize it as a state and we will keep resisting it until its elimination, in spite of everyone. All campaigns of deception, slander, lies, falsification of facts and erroneous interpretations will not change the truth."

In this context, Yousef Rizqa, the political adviser to former Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, told Al-Monitor that these accusations are unfounded, fabricated and unsubstantiated. “Hamas has never held direct negotiations with Israel since its inception," he said.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/11/abbas-accuse-hamas-israel-annex-siani-egypt.html#ixzz3s3Oe2gEJ

[oberliner]

1. "We will not recognize Israel as a state and we will keep resisting it until its elimination"

For anyone who is confused about where Hamas stands, Mr. Marzouk puts it pretty bluntly.

[geek tragedy]

2. similar to Israeli governmental figures such as Ya'Alon, Rivlin, Danon, Bennett,

Shaked, Eli Ben Dahan, and Hotovely.

Come to think of it, is there anyone in the Israeli cabinet besides Kahlon who's willing to recognize a Palestinian state?

[Jefferson23]

4. oberliner does not appreciate those distinctions and that Hamas has actually agreed

to 1967 borders..and that the US supports a unity government to include Hamas.

[oberliner]

7. No they haven't

Here is the full quote again from this OP that you just posted:

Mousa Abu Marzouk, a member of Hamas’ political bureau, criticized Abbas' remarks in Cairo and posted on his Facebook page Nov. 9, “We have no intention of trading any inch of the Palestinian lands against other territories, contrary to all allegations and fabrications. We do not negotiate with Israel, we will not recognize it as a state and we will keep resisting it until its elimination in spite of everyone. All campaigns of deception, slander, lies, falsification of facts and erroneous interpretations will not change the truth."

How much more directly can it be stated for you to believe it?

[Jefferson23]

10. When you're ready to end the semantics, please let me know. You prefer not to highlight this:

“We have no intention of trading any inch of the Palestinian lands against other territories,.......

Why would they accept any deal like that from Egypt, which was fabricated anyway b/c Abbas
is a dumb ass who is not interested in a unity government.

Like I said earlier, Hamas has been on record several times, got nothing for it in return, and
their rhetoric now is no different than Bibi. NO state of Palestine.

[oberliner]

13. I am not sure what point you are making

The one I am making is that Hamas clearly does not accept the existence of Israel and never will and have said as much on numerous occasions, including in the OP you posted here.

[Jefferson23]

16. You're going to pretend what Bibi has said over and over again, even at the last election?

The US supports a unity government, your Hamas meme is not going to change
anything substantially.

You know what I am talking about, enjoy your game. You've derailed the thread
enough from the idiot Abbas.

[oberliner]

9. Exactly

The rejectionists among Israelis and Palestinians ought to be called out for what they are.

Pretending that Hamas supports peace with Israel under the auspices of a two-state solution is as preposterous as pretending that Ya'alon supports the creation of a Palestinian state.

Yet, certain posters seem to be under certain delusions with respect to Hamas in spite of their repeated statements on the subject.

[Jefferson23]

12. Only preposterous to those who do not want to see a unity government..that would be you, not the US.

[geek tragedy]

19. Eh. Hamas are horrible human beings.

I don't see anyone actively disputing that, but they're out to lunch if they do.

[Jefferson23]

3. Yep, like Bibi. n/t

[leftynyc]

5. Please link to where

bibi has called for the elimination of Palestinians. Surely you have it handy.

[oberliner]

8. Bibi: "I remain committed to a vision of two states for two peoples"

Bibi:

I remain committed to a vision of two states for two peoples where a demilitarized Palestinian state recognizes the Jewish state, and Israel will continue to work for peace in the hope that what is not achievable today might be achievable tomorrow.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-speech-to-the-jewish-federations-ga-november-10-2015/

Hamas:

We do not negotiate with Israel, we will not recognize it as a state and we will keep resisting it until its elimination.

[Jefferson23]

14. So where is it? You remember the Kerry poof? You crack me up, Hamas does not have the

power you seem so willing to use against them in this absurd game of yours that they're
equally responsible for the never ending occupation.

[leftynyc]

17. They're only the ELECTED government

of Gaza. No biggie.

[Jefferson23]

6. You can thank Abbas too, he wants no interference coming from a unity government. n/t

[oberliner]

11. Abbas has nothing to do with the Hamas position which has remained consistent

To wit:

We do not negotiate with Israel, we will not recognize it as a state and we will keep resisting it until its elimination.

[Jefferson23]

15. Yea, he does, you just have a hard time figuring out who holds all the cards, and its not Hamas. n/t

[leftynyc]

18. Then feel free to educate us all

WHO holds all the cards of power in Gaza?