The "Palestinians Deploying Their Air Forces"

[trailmonkee]

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[libodem]

1. Asymetrical

Warfare. They are all but helpless. Why the Israelis don't see the parallels is beyond me.

[holdencaufield]

3. All warfare is asymetical ...

... it it wasn't, there would never be a winner.

But, anyone who provokes a war with an obviously superior enemy is either deranged or suicidal.

[azurnoir]

6. seems that most asymetrical warfare these days comes out with no winners

or like Vietnam with the weaker side winning

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. Vietnam won twice: France then the USA.

[eyl]

11. Not sure if Vietnam is really relevant

given that the forces which rolled into Saigon were NVA forces (i.e. the regular armed forces of North Vitenam), which is not what is usually meant by asymmetric warfare.

[Igel]

17. The peace treaty helped, of course.

Since we had no forces to fight the NVA and no troops on the ground, with a valid peace treaty--and moreover had refused to supply money to the South Vietnamese military--it's hard to see how tanks rolling into Saigon says much about us. Except that we didn't supply promised money and arms to an ally.

It's also asymmetric when one side, for PR and military reasons not involving the enemy itself concedes some tactics. The result is usually a non-win for both sides--a frozen conflict, something that usually winds up killing and hurting more than an actual conclusion to the conflict--or the eventual winning of a frozen conflict when one side simply stops fighting.

[holdencaufield]

10. Warfare in Vietnam was asymetrical as well ...

... one side had the will to fight, the other didn't

The will to fight can be a much more important force multiplier than weaponry. The Americans were defeated in Vietnam because they had no will to fight and no reason to stay. Israel on the other hand, even though it lacks the will to deal the Palestinians a decisive defeat -- cannot very well pick up and leave, they have no where to go. There are lots of Arab states, there is only one Jewish state.

So, this will go on and on forever, with Palestinians provoking and Israelis dealing out limited retaliation.

[azurnoir]

13. ah yes the Palestinians always provoke even when there is a cease fire and Israel breaks it

via a targeted assassination, that killed a couple of children as well

quite frankly IMO there is blame to go around on this and neither side is solely responsible

[oberliner]

4. Parallels to what?

What are you referencing?

[King_David]

5. Tell us more about How the Jewish Israelis are ,

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''Killing the Palestinians with machine gun fire looks a lot less ugly than gassing those poor bastards in an oven. ''

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=21084

We want to know.

[azurnoir]

7. perhaps you 'missed' the sarcasm smilie in the comment your quoting

or maybe did not understand it?

[King_David]

8. The sarcasm smilie does not excuse that sick fucked up anti semitic shit

Although this poster is not alone,and no sarcasm thingy here,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=309368

And the post this dude replied to too,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=308933

[azurnoir]

15. I did not say it did justified or defend however poorly chosen the words were

but the sarcasm thing was there

[Scootaloo]

12. I'm with Dave on this one...

doesn't do much to clear the air after a turd like that hits the floor.

Of course, it doesn't look much different from the rhetoric I see from some "pro-Israeli" corners, just with the names flipped around... Still, I find those posts fucking vile too.

Stuff like that isn't helping us any, and I see no reason to mount even a really weak defense for it.

[azurnoir]

14. True enough how but the sarcasm thing was there and I've seen the reverse too many times

the Palestinians marching Jews to the ovens or would be

the post was nasty true I wonder has it been alerted?

[libodem]

16. Im not defending that

It was a regretful thing to say. Being upset does not excuse it. Your tolerance in continuing to converse with me is appreciated. I hope you can forgive me. I will never make another statement like it. I want to be respectful when I address someone who is Jewish. Should I not say Jew? Is Jewish preferable?

Our viewpoints are diametrically opposed. But I wish to continue to be able to discuss this hotbed issue. I respect your religion but I am unhappy with Israel's policy. Please forgive me for the inappropriate comment. It made me look like a horses ass.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

2. IDF took credit earlier this week for taking out a Hamas UAV site

Give it whatever credibility you like.

[Fozzledick]

18. What, no rockets?

Not an honest depiction, but then it isn't meant to be.