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Related: About this forumIsraeli crackdown on Palestinian mobility began well before suicide bombings
Most Israelis labor under the misconception that restrictions on Palestinian movement were a result of suicide bombings, but they started long before that.By Amira Hass | Apr.01, 2013 | 8:23 PM
snip*The chronology is important here ? Ive repeated it countless times and will repeat it countless more times ? because local readers like to think that the blanket prohibitions on Palestinian mobility were a response to the suicide attacks from 1994 on. That is not the case.
It began in January 1991, on the eve of the Gulf War. The Israel Defense Forces GOC Central and Southern Commands then revoked an earlier order, from the 1970s, of a general exit permit to Israel ? in other words, one that allowed the Palestinian residents of the occupied territory to enter Israel, and move freely within its borders and between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
Initially, the revocation was interpreted as something temporary, a preventive measure during the unclear period of wartime. But after a lengthy curfew, the residents of the Strip woke up to a new reality. If up until 1991 Israel had respected ?for reasons of its own? the right to freedom of movement for all Palestinians, but withheld it from a few people, after 1991 the situation was reversed: Israel denied all Palestinians ?those in the West Bank as well? the right to freedom of movement, aside from a few groups and numbers that it determined.
Since then, this is the rule in effect, aside from shifts in the various categories and specific numbers of those permitted to leave. The expectation that signing the transfer of powers from the Civil Administration to the Palestinian Authority in May 1994 would restore freedom of movement was soon dashed. That was the first clear sign.
in full: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/passover/israeli-crackdown-on-palestinian-mobility-began-well-before-suicide-bombings.premium-1.512752
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)this is evidenced by the continued herding of Palestinians out of area C into the Area(s) A and B, the continued building of and expanding of settlements called natural growth as shown here
Separation and creation of distance between senior officials and ordinary folks by granting generous mobility permits to a select class of Palestinians: freedom of movement for senior PA officials who came from abroad and gave no thought to the reality that existed before, without a need for permits, and to several prisoners who had been released and positioned themselves high in the PA leadership;
Satisfying the PA and then PLO leader Yasser Arafats sense of pseudo-control ? closing the crossings and requesting permits necessitated coordination between the Civil Administration and its Palestinian twin the Ministry of Civil Affairs?;
Giving the PA a chance to develop the commercial monopolies of its people and cronies ? by sheer dint of the need to coordinate exits between the PA and Israel;
Most important of all: Severing the society in Gaza from that of the West Bank. In other words, undermining the basic condition for a Palestinian state, in both parts of the territory conquered in 1967.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)If you go back on edit and remove all parentheses, the smilies will be gone.
I needed to do that too.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)part of Israel at least by usage if not officially, keeping Palestinians confined to 'their' area
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Something's working .
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Something was working then, what was it?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)That wall ...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)you have not addressed: Israeli crackdown on Palestinian mobility began well before suicide bombings
Land, not security.
Israel could have built the wall on their land, they did not.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And prevented many many massacres.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Land.
King_David
(14,851 posts)14. The wall has saved many many lives
And prevented many many massacres.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)you have not addressed: Israeli crackdown on Palestinian mobility began well before suicide bombings
Land, not security.
Israel could have built the wall on their land, they did not.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Is far more important than land or property.
Property "rights "are not progressive values.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it's the 'other guys' property being taken
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Wall works to take land that does not belong to you.
You have yet to address that issue, and the other more significant statement,
the OP's title.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Which is far far more important than land.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Waiting for you to address the title of the OP too.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you know what 'some' here like to cry crocodile tears over as the PA infringing on Palestinian rights, in fact iut's the very same people that also make comments similar to yours 'oddly'
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)no security co-ordination and the wind down of the second intifada have far more to do with it
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)nothing else according to you they are not capable of self control?
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it seems you do not believe Palestinians capable of self control, would that also extend to self governance?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Where do you get these 'powers' from ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)land, so you go on the 'offensive/defensive'?
I asked if you believed that only brute force (the Wall for instance) was what controlled the Palestinians and you answered the only thing controlling them is the Wall