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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:12 AM Aug 2014

Are Israelis and Zionists really talking about a Final Solution of the Palestinian Problem?

The Times of Israel published and then removed from its site an essay by Yochanan Gordon that openly called for genocide against the Palestinians of Gaza. A cached version is still on the internet as of this writing.
Gordon’s logic, if one wants to dignify it with that term, is that Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel, and therefore the only way to deal with them is to obliterate them entirely. He used the words “obliterate entirely.”
Nor is he alone. Israel nationalists have been arguing for war crimes at an alarming rate.
Hamas is a party-militia of the religious right. It does say it wants to see the Israeli government overthrown. Its leaders don’t, however, speak of committing genocide against Israelis. They say they want to recover their country, which was stolen from them by the Israelis in 1948. Colonial regimes always produce resistance movements.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/zionists-solution-palestinian.html

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Are Israelis and Zionists really talking about a Final Solution of the Palestinian Problem? (Original Post) ellenrr Aug 2014 OP
there ARE people on both sides who say crazy fucked up things, look at the United States JI7 Aug 2014 #1
The Likudniks termed it a "durable solution". HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #2
I think reoccupation so Hamas can be destroyed hack89 Aug 2014 #3
Interesting example of a classic meme Fozzledick Aug 2014 #4
Read the Facebook post below Aerows Aug 2014 #8
Does anyone have the actual essay that Cole is talking about? aranthus Aug 2014 #5
Having seen more of this, aranthus Aug 2014 #6
Well, there is this. Aerows Aug 2014 #7
It was a blog post leftynyc Aug 2014 #9

JI7

(89,279 posts)
1. there ARE people on both sides who say crazy fucked up things, look at the United States
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:42 AM
Aug 2014

look at shit like ted nugent. look at the shit ann coulter says. look at teabag rallies .

hack89

(39,171 posts)
3. I think reoccupation so Hamas can be destroyed
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:05 AM
Aug 2014

Is more what they are thinking.

Not a smart move but certainly not a Nazi style Final Solution.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
8. Read the Facebook post below
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:06 PM
Aug 2014

by the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset. There's a link to his original Facebook post that is in Hebrew, and two translations. Take your pick.

If that isn't a clear statement of intentions, I don't know what is.

aranthus

(3,385 posts)
5. Does anyone have the actual essay that Cole is talking about?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:28 PM
Aug 2014

What he has quoted from seems to suggest wanting to destroy Hamas, which is not at all the same as genocide. Since Cole is nowhere near a credible source (he's lying about Hamas' intentions, among other things), I'd like to see the original.

aranthus

(3,385 posts)
6. Having seen more of this,
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:39 PM
Aug 2014

it's clear that Cole is engaging in hyperbole, but not outright lying. He's deliberately misinterpreting something that was poorly stated, and for which the author has apologized.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
7. Well, there is this.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:54 PM
Aug 2014
https://www.facebook.com/MFeiglin/posts/695450140534104

That's in Hebrew by the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset. Here's a Google translation to English:

In honor of
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
Mr. Prime Minister
Just learned that Hamas used the ceasefire to grab an officer. It turns out that this campaign is not going to end so soon.
Failures in the operation were buried in the beginning that:
A - It has no proper purpose and clear.
At Shell no proper moral support our soldiers.
What is needed now is to internalize that Oslo is over, this is our land - only our country, including Gaza!
No two countries and no two peoples - there is only one state for one people.
Following this internalization strategic change required a deep and fundamental - are defining the enemy, both in defining the mission, both in defining the strategic objective, and of course - the definition of morality and right fighting required.
1 - Defining the enemy
Strategic enemy is radical Arab Islam all its derivatives from Iran to Gaza seeking to destroy Israel as a whole.
Hamas is the enemy in the eye.
(Tunnels, rocket - Hamas)
2 - Defining the task:
Conquest of the entire Gaza Strip and elimination of all armed forces and their supporters.
3 - Setting strategic objective:
Turn Gaza and Jaffa. Israeli city booming with a minimum of hostile civilians.
4 - Set the morality of combat:
"Oh wicked and woe to his neighbor"

In light of these four points on Israel immediately execute the following:
A - IDF define open spaces on the Sinai border and in close proximity to the sea which will focus on the civilian population - far from built-up area and launch areas and tunneling. These areas will be set up tent camps to locate relevant immigration goals.
Electricity and water supply to areas that were occupied - clear.
On populated areas were shelled maximum firepower. All facilities Hamas civilian and military, means of communication and logistics - would be eliminated completely.
C - the IDF will break the strap length and width, greatly expand the delegates, will take over areas of control and destroy nests of resistance when these remain.
D - Israel will begin identifying countries and the Gaza refugees quotas. Wishing to emigrate to receive generous financial aid package and will reach the receiving countries with significant financial ability.
The who insists on staying and it is proved that it has no connection to Hamas, will be required to sign a public declaration of loyalty to Israel and gets blue identity card similar to that of the Arabs of East Jerusalem.
And when the fighting ended applied Israeli law throughout the Gaza Strip, Gush Katif expellees will be invited to return to their communities and the city of Gaza and daughters will be built tourist cities and trade Israel for all.
Mr. Prime Minister!
This is a time of fateful decision of Israel's days.
All metastases enemy, Iran and Hezbollah to Da"s and the Muslim Brotherhood - now rubbing their hands in delight and prepare themselves for the next round.
I warned that the result is less than defined here, means encouraging the continued offensive against Israel. Only if you understand how standardized Hhizballa Hamas in the south, will prevent from sending the 100,000 missiles - to the north.
I urge you to adopt the strategy proposed here.
I am sure that like me, the people of Israel will be overwhelmingly on your right - if only to adopt.

Sincerely and with great appreciation
Moshe Feiglin

If the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset isn't enough of "straight from the horse's mouth" I don't know what would express the true intentions better.

If that doesn't suit you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5331615

There's a translation by Bing, too.

Heck, I'll post it here.

BH for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister just learned that Hamas took advantage of the Truce to kidnap an officer. It turns out that this operation is not going to end so quickly.
The failures in the operation were interred from the beginning because: 1 it has no proper purpose and clear.
2. There is no proper moral shell that supports our troops.

What is needed now is to internalize the principles that our country is over – only our country including Gaza!
No two States and two peoples – there is only one country, one people.

This internalization of strategic change required is deep and thorough, both in defining the enemy, both in defining the mission, both in defining the strategic and target-setting gives the right and necessary.

1 – setting the strategic enemy enemy is radical Islam, Western grorotav of Iran and of Gaza seeking to wipe out Israel as a whole.
The enemy in the eye is Hamas.
(Not the tunnels, Hamas's rocket-) 2 – setting mission: conquest of the Gaza Strip and eliminating all the warriors and their supporters.

3 – strategic target setting: turn Gaza to Tel Aviv. Israeli city blooms with hostile civilians minimum.

4 – the definition says: "Oh, fighting evil and woe to the home" in light of these four points for Israel to immediately do the following: 1. the IDF will open spaces on the Sinai border and near the sea that concentrate on the civilian population – far from the built-up areas and launch and tunneling. These areas will be set up tents to camps to locate relevant immigration targets.
Electricity and water for populated areas – will be disconnected.

In the areas that were populated with iopgazo maximum firepower. The Hamas civil and military means and logistics – will be eliminated to the ground.

3. the IDF around dissecting the Gaza Strip to length and wide, extending from the delegates, will take over areas that control and destroy nests of resistance should remain like this.

4. start by locating countries Israel and immigration quotas for refugees of Gaza. Looking to migrate to win economic assistance package and will be open to countries with significant economic potential.

The who insists on staying and proven that has no connection with Hamas will be required to sign a public statement about citizenship to Israel and will receive a blue identity card is similar to that of Arabs in East Jerusalem.

And with the pull is applied Israeli law in the Gaza Strip, expelled from Gush Katif will be invited back to their settlements and Gaza City and her daughters will be built as a commercial Israeli cities and everything.

Mr. Prime Minister!
This is a fateful decision in time of the State of Israel.
Every enemy of Iran, metastasis and Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood and דע"ש – are uncertain whether their hands with pleasure now and are preparing themselves for next round.

I had that each outcome is less than defined here means encouraging continued against Israel, initiating. Only if you understand how the patient's hizballa Hamas in the South, do not shoot the rocket his 100,000 North.

I urge you to adopt the strategy proposed here.
I have no doubt realized, the entire stand with Israel in an overwhelming majority for the right – if you will follow.


With dignity and esteem Moshe feiglin
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
9. It was a blog post
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:33 AM
Aug 2014

that has no editorial oversight (this was hashed out on Friday - you must have missed it). It was removed and apologies issued. Has hamas changed their charter yet?

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