Jordan's King Abdullah: We will prevent Israeli unilateralism in Jerusalem

[King_David]

Jordan's King Abdullah said Sunday that the Hashemite Kingdom would continue to battle "Israeli unilateralism in Jerusalem" and to maintain Islamic and Christian places of worship in the city.

The king's comments came during the opening of the second regular session of Jordan's National Assembly and days after Israel closed down the Temple Mount in Jerusalem for the first time since the second intifada amid fears of rioting.

The monarch also accused Israel of "brutal aggression" during Operation Protective Edge, vowing to mobilize international efforts to rebuild Gaza.


http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Jordans-King-Abdullah-We-will-prevent-Israeli-unilateralism-in-Jerusalem-380543

[King_David]

1. After the way Jordan acted during their occupation of Jerusalem

I don't think they have anything to offer on this topic.

[oberliner]

3. Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation

Treatment of Jews and Jewish holy sites

While Christian holy sites were protected, and Muslim holy sites were maintained and renovated,[3] Jewish holy sites were damaged and sometimes destroyed.[4] According to Raphael Israeli, 58 synagogues were desecrated or demolished in the Old City, resulting in the de-Judaization of Jerusalem.[5][6][7] The Western Wall was transformed into an exclusively Muslim holy site associated with al-Buraq.[8] 38,000 Jewish graves in the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives were systematically destroyed, and Jews were not allowed to be buried there.[5][6] Following the Arab Legions expulsion of the Jewish residents of the Old City in the 1948 War, Jordan allowed Arab-Muslim refugees to settle in the vacated Jewish Quarter.[9] Later, after some of these were moved to Shuafat, migrants from Hebron took their place.[10] During the 1960s, as the quarter continued to fall into decay, Jordan planned to turn the quarter into a public park.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_East_Jerusalem_under_Jordanian_occupation

[appal_jack]

5. This is an episode of history I had not known before. Thanks. nt.

[shira]

2. Time to prevent Jordanian unilateralism in Amman, I suppose. n/t

[Israeli]

4. Seems to be working tho.......

Under U.S., Jordanian pressure, Netanyahu calls for restraint on Temple Mount

Prime minister urges Israeli parliamentarians to show 'responsibility and restraint.'

By Barak Ravid | Nov. 1, 2014

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on Knesset members Saturday to ease tensions over the Temple Mount after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry asked him to help lower the temperature in all Jerusalem. The Jordanians have made similar requests.

(Snip)

On Saturday evening, the prime minister asked Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein to work with MKs to resolve the issue. Netanyahu’s call came after Housing and Construction Minister Uri Ariel harshly criticized Jordan’s rulers on his Facebook page.

Ariel was responding to a Jordanian government spokesman who said Israel’s actions in East Jerusalem and attempts to change the status quo on the Temple Mount put the Jordan-Israel peace agreement at risk. The 20th anniversary of the treaty was marked just a few days ago.

(Snip)

In recent days, senior officials at the royal palace and in the Jordanian government have demanded that Israel act to calm the situation in Jerusalem, especially the Temple Mount.

In a telephone conversation Friday, Kerry asked Netanyahu to work to reduce tensions, stop the escalating violence and maintain the status quo on the Mount.

At a press briefing that day, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Kerry had demanded that Netanyahu eschew provocative statements and actions regarding Jerusalem and preserve the status quo on the Mount.

“I am extremely concerned by escalating tensions across Jerusalem and particularly surrounding the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount,” Kerry said in a statement.

“It is absolutely critical that all sides exercise restraint, refrain from provocative actions and rhetoric, and preserve the historic status quo on the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount – in word and in practice. The continued commitment by Israelis, Palestinians, and Jordanians to preserve the historic status quo at this holy site is critical; any decisions or actions to change it would be both provocative and dangerous.”

Also Friday, Kerry phoned Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and asked him to help calm things down in Jerusalem. According to the Palestinian press agency Ma’an, Abbas asked Kerry to intervene to stop Israeli actions, particularly settlement construction, and told Kerry that Israel’s actions were dangerously escalating the violence.

According to Ma’an, Abbas thanked Kerry as well as Jordanian King Abdullah for their efforts “to calm … Israeli aggression, including in the Al-Aqsa compound.”

Kerry is scheduled to meet with Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat in Washington on Monday. According to Psaki, the two will address both the situation in Jerusalem and efforts to renew the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.623931

( No paywall )

[King_David]

6. Good

[Scootaloo]

7. Make up your mind

[King_David]

14. Huh ?

Got something to say ?

[azurnoir]

8. well......Police chief says Temple Mount to stay open to Jews

Police Chief Yohanan Danino declared to an emergency meeting of the Knesset Internal Affairs Committee on Sunday that he is determined to maintain the right of Jews to access the Temple Mount compound, including deploying as many officers as it takes to enable visits.

Danino faced angry right-wing lawmakers who demanded to know why the site had been reopened to Muslim worshipers Friday but not to Jewish visitors, as has been the status quo since Israel captured the holy site in 1967.

“We will be even more decisive than in the past, when the size of the force was a consideration,” Danino said, referring to the recent decision by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to bolster the police deployment in Jerusalem to deal with ongoing violence and rising tensions between Jews and Arabs.

“Even if there is a danger [to visitors] that requires many more officers, we will bring in the force [needed] in order to preserve the rights of those going up to the mount,” added Danino.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-chief-says-temple-mount-to-stay-open-to-jews/#ixzz3HwmaF2u0

[hack89]

9. It has to remain open to both sides. nt

[azurnoir]

11. Jordan has some say per the 1994 Peace Treaty

and the Temple Mount was not "open to both sides" until recently when the Rightwing Israeli government changed the rules

[hack89]

12. Then they need to learn how to coexist nt

[azurnoir]

13. Israel signed the treaty n/t

[Scootaloo]

15. Israel is above the law

Even its own laws.

I think this has been thoroughly documented.

[King_David]

16. So Israel must discriminate against Jews ?

What next, no Gays allowed to pray there? Or in the mosque?

No way....

[Scootaloo]

29. it's not in Israel, is it?

And for the record, israel DOES discriminate against Jews praying there. At least, the ones who have uteruses. I imagine that the orthodox dudes who run the show around the wall wouldn't be the least bit hesitant to throw you out n your ass if they could tell you're gay by looking at you, either. I mean they obviously have no problem with keeping it illegal for you to get married, unlike say... fucking Iowa.

[King_David]

30. Make up your mind

Israel discriminates against Gays ? Or there is "pinkwashing "?
You can't have both things on alternate days.

[hack89]

31. Here is the pertinent portion of the treaty

No where does it say that Jews cannot enter the Temple Mount.

1. Each Party will provide freedom of access to places of religious and historical significance.
2. In this regard, in accordance with the Washington Declaration, Israel respects the present special role of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in Muslim Holy shrines in Jerusalem. When negotiations on the permanent status will take place, Israel will give high priority to the Jordanian historic role in these shrines.
3. The Parties will act together to promote interfaith relations among the three monotheistic religions, with the aim of working towards religious understanding, moral commitment, freedom of religious worship, and tolerance and peace.

[azurnoir]

32. yes I know are you promoting Jewish prayer at the Temple Mount compound?

[hack89]

33. Why not? Surely all can coexist?

no reason to automatically assume the Arab reaction will be violence if it is done properly.

[azurnoir]

34. I think you need to reread the agreement I'll repost it for you

Last edited Mon Nov 3, 2014, 11:11 AM - Edit history (1)

1. Each Party will provide freedom of access to places of religious and historical significance.

2. In this regard, in accordance with the Washington Declaration, Israel respects the present special role of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in Muslim Holy shrines in Jerusalem. When negotiations on the permanent status will take place, Israel will give high priority to the Jordanian historic role in these shrines.

3. The Parties will act together to promote interfaith relations among the three monotheistic religions, with the aim of working towards religious understanding, moral commitment, freedom of religious worship, and tolerance and peace.

http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/peacetreaty.html

The government of Israel is making unilateral moves in this area freedom of worship is being quite loosely interpreted here, and in fact it could be said that Israel's closing al aqsa to Palestinian men under 50 is impeding that freedom, would you prompt a Catholic Communion being held at the Kotel are Catholics free to do that at present? Cab Muslims worship at the Kotel at present if they choose?

[hack89]

35. So the first clause does not apply to Jews?

what reason would have Jordan have to deny access?

[azurnoir]

37. the first clause says access which Jews have not religious worship n/t

[hack89]

36. I don't think the government of Israel should limit access

let the religions sort it out. I am sure they can reach some sort of accommodation that would allow all to pray.

[azurnoir]

38. wll that's up to the state Rabbi's whom at the moment will not allow Jewish women to worship

at the Kotel

[King_David]

17. Should Israel not allow Gays on the Temple Mount if Hamas asks nicely ?

[azurnoir]

20. Do you equate Jordan to Hamas? because that is the only way your comment has

and context here and Jordan has made no such request

[Israeli]

21. azurnoir.......

" the historic status quo " means that the place is open to everyone but that only Muslims are allowed to pray there .....remember that it is a huge tourist attraction and has thousands of visitors from around the world .

The problems right now started because of this idiotic controversial bill :
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/140519-israeli-law-would-allow-jews-to-pray-on-temple-mount

read this :
How the far-right changed the debate over the Temple Mount[
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.624191

and these if you want to understand why .....

http://972mag.com/dangerous-liason-disturbing-the-peace-in-jerusalems-holiest-site/89331/

http://972mag.com/the-fraud-that-is-the-temple-mount-movement/98250/

[azurnoir]

22. I quite aware of all of that

but we both know or should per your links what the deal is about

[Israeli]

25. Ok .....

....when I read your post # 8 I thought you were not aware .....I know what the deal is about .

The question is ...can Bibi control his own people ...or does he even want to . ???

We owe Kerry and the Jordanians a big thank you IMHO .

[azurnoir]

26. why would you think that? the snip in #8 states plainly what the status quo is however

while Bibi is mouthing words about restraint Danino is going on about escalating the use of force and Moshe Feiglin is allowed once more to visit the site

[Israeli]

27. Danino is going on about....

...preserving the status quo.....for everyone !!....

“Even if there is a danger [to visitors] that requires many more officers, we will bring in the force [needed] in order to preserve the rights of those going up to the mount,” added Danino.

“Every government since ’67 has maintained the status quo, and we will maintain the principle,” he continued. “We were careful to maintain arrangements for everyone while taking into consideration public safety.”

The Army and the police are like piggy in the middle between two lots of religious fanatics ...he cant stop Moshe Feiglin going there or any of those nuts ....he can only try to stop them praying etc and stirring up trouble ....and they do try.

see : http://972mag.com/there-are-no-good-guys-in-jerusalem/98214/

[azurnoir]

28. “We will be even more decisive than in the past, when the size of the force was a consideration”

That was Danino and part of the snip in #8 which you quoted an edited edition of but why? oh well here is the whole thing again and IMO it sounds like an escalation to me

Police Chief Yohanan Danino declared to an emergency meeting of the Knesset Internal Affairs Committee on Sunday that he is determined to maintain the right of Jews to access the Temple Mount compound, including deploying as many officers as it takes to enable visits.

Danino faced angry right-wing lawmakers who demanded to know why the site had been reopened to Muslim worshipers Friday but not to Jewish visitors, as has been the status quo since Israel captured the holy site in 1967.

“We will be even more decisive than in the past, when the size of the force was a consideration,” Danino said, referring to the recent decision by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to bolster the police deployment in Jerusalem to deal with ongoing violence and rising tensions between Jews and Arabs.

“Even if there is a danger that requires many more officers, we will bring in the force in order to preserve the rights of those going up to the mount,” added Danino.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-chief-says-temple-mount-to-stay-open-to-jews/#ixzz3HwmaF2u0


I'll say this though it's been a most informative conversation

[Israeli]

39. I dont understand your point azurnoir......

....could you be more clear .

" Danino faced angry right-wing lawmakers who demanded to know why the site had been reopened to Muslim worshipers Friday but not to Jewish visitors, as has been the status quo since Israel captured the holy site in 1967."

The " angry right-wing lawmakers " are as pissed off with the police as the angry Muslims are .

Why ? ....because of this as an example :

Four Arrested at Jewish Protest Outside Temple Mount

Nationalists climb fence, run toward Judaism's holiest site after attack on Temple Mount activist sparks outrage.

Four Jewish activists were arrested on Thursday, after a flurry of protests against the attempted murder of prominent activist Yehuda Glick, as well as ongoing discrimination against Jews, broke out at the entrance to the Temple Mount.

While throngs of people gathered to protest, the four men arrested had literally "crossed a line" as far a police were concerned; they had jumped over the cordon set up by police and ran toward the Mount, Judaism's holiest site. Police apprehended them before they managed to get far.

Meanwhile, dozens of activists continue to chant slogans calling for Jewish sovereignty over the Mount, which was closed to Jews Thursday after Islamic Jihad terrorist shot Jewish rights activist Yehuda Glick Wednesday night.

The protests follow public statements of outrage from public figures including Thursday, including MK Moshe Feiglin (Likud), who said that apathy to Jewish discrimination is "expected."

"Instead of [them] showing the murderer the opposite of what he wanted, by opening the Temple Mount to Jews, plain and simple, this morning, just the opposite happened, as indeed I observed," he said.

Feiglin, who was at the Temple Mount this morning, stated that "the mountain was closed to Jews and to the State of Israel - the true sovereign of the Temple Mount - the Muslim Waqf was allowing Muslims on the Mount in droves, where they prayed and ultimately rioted. Eventually riot dispersal measures had to be taken."

"When asked to enter so that the sovereign's representative in Israel, the Israeli Knesset, will be on the Mount, not just Muslim sovereigns which actually took our place on the Mount, they didn't allow it," they continued. "I asked to speak with the prime minister and he never called me back."

"This is the situation this morning, the reality whereby a wanted murderer is given what he wanted in full," he added. "This conduct will certainly not bring about peace, only more murders."



http://a7.org/Resizer.ashx?save=1&source=album&album=6&image=71756&a=455&b=1500

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/186814

[azurnoir]

41. amid claims an MK (Shuli Moalem-Refaeli) was pushed by Arabs be sure to watch the video

http://www.timesofisrael.com/mk-pushed-by-protester-during-temple-mount-visit/

my point is that Bibi is saying one thing but allowing for another as you yourself asked does he have the political will, my answer is obviously not

[Israeli]

44. She is one of Naftali Bennett's ...

....even if Bibi wanted to I doubt very much he can control any of that crazy crew .

Moshe Feiglin is another story ....if Bibi cant control a member of his own party you have to ask yourself who is in control .

I watched the video BTW ... the arrogance of that **** just takes your breath away .

[Israeli]

46. A must read azurnoir......

SUMMARY

Members of Benjamin Netanyahu's government are using the Temple Mount for political purposes, advocating the return of the Jewish people to the holy site at the risk of damaging the fragile status quo.

It would be interesting to know how the conversation went between Edelstein and his Likud faction colleague Moshe Feiglin, the serial Temple Mount worshiper. What did Edelstein tell coalition Chairman Yariv Levin, who has said that when Jews prayed for a return to Zion, they probably did not dream of a return to the Knesset building or the prime minister’s office, but to the Temple Mount? How did the conversation go with Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee Chairman Ze'ev Elkin, who stated two years ago that without the Temple Mount “our national freedom is not complete.” And did Edelstein implore Deputy Transportation Minister Tzipi Hotovely to recant her proposal for erecting a temple on the Temple Mount “as a symbol of the people of Israel’s renewed sovereignty over their land”?

A position paper prepared by the nongovernmental organization Ir Amin ahead of the debate on Oct. 27 at the Internal Affairs Committee illustrates the constant expansion of limitations on Muslim access to the compound. Talks and acts such as these fuel Palestinian fears that Israel is planning “a Hebronization of Haram al-Sharif.” In other words, allocating set prayer hours for Jews-only prayers at the site, at the expense of Muslim exclusivity, like the arrangement at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron. During that debate of the Internal Affairs Committee, Minister for Homeland Security Yitzhak Aharonovitch related the following astonishing data: Since the beginning of the year, the entry of Muslims to the Temple Mount compound was prohibited or restricted 76 times — one day out of four. By way of comparison, in 2012, Muslim entrance to the Temple Mount was prohibited on three occasions and in 2013, on eight occasions.

Such a move is perceived as a declaration of war over the last Jerusalem bastion that expresses the national and religious identity of most Palestinians. There was a good reason that US Secretary of State John Kerry called Netanyahu and urged him to act decisively to prevent a violation of the status quo at the compound.

The process of religious nationalization that the Likud Party under Netanyahu’s leadership is undergoing — what professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz typified as “the prostitution of religion for the sake of national interests” — reaches its zenith at the Temple Mount.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/11/temple-mount-netanyahu-government-right-wing-extremism.html

[azurnoir]

43. Yehudah Glick’s son prays on Temple Mount for father’s recovery

Shahar Glick, whose Temple Mount activist father was shot last week in an attempted assassination, visited the Temple Mount on Monday to pray for his father’s recovery as he underwent lifesaving surger

The teenager entered the volatile compound accompanied by a news crew from Channel 2 and with a heavy police escort.

Glick visited the spots where his father, Yehudah Glick, chose to pray and offered personal supplications for his dad’s speedy recovery.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/yehudah-glicks-son-prays-on-temple-mount-for-fathers-recovery/#ixzz3I2fgpGiy

[azurnoir]

10. Moshe Feiglin was permitted to visit today Sunday after Bibi's 'statement'

what is said and what is actually done are 2 very different things

Likud MK Moshe Feiglin visited the Temple Mount on Sunday, pressing for Jews to be allowed to pray there despite heightened tensions over its status - and despite a call to "tone down" rhetoric on Judaism's holiest site from Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.

An AFP photographer said Feiglin visited the compound in Jerusalem Sunday morning, and was met with slurs from Muslims crying "Allahu akbar" (God is greater).

Feiglin visited the Mount following the attempted murder of Temple Mount rights advocate Yehuda Glick on Wednesday.

Glick - who founded and heads the LIBA Initiative for Jewish Freedom on the Temple Mount - was shot in the chest on Wednesday night outside the Begin Heritage Center in Jerusalem, after the shooter pulled up in a motorcycle or scooter, confirming Glick's identity before shooting.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/186908#.VFa0qcmOr4U

[King_David]

18. Israel National News is your source ?

[azurnoir]

19. and Haaretz too

MK Feiglin visits Temple Mount, despite Netanyahu's call for restraint
Prime minister urged lawmakers not to fuel tensions, following pressure from U.S. and Jordan.
By Nir Hasson | Nov. 2, 2014 | 2:14 PM


Deputy Knesset Speaker and right-wing Likud MK Moshe Feiglin visited the Temple Mount in Jerusalem on Sunday, despite Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's call to lawmakers to show restraint.

Feiglin's visit passed without incident. Five Jews were detained for questioning at the site, but there were no clashes.

Netanyahu called on Knesset members Saturday to ease tensions after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry asked him to help lower the temperature in all Jerusalem. The Jordanians have made similar requests.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.624100

[Israeli]

23. and Ynet ...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4586812,00.html

[azurnoir]

24. yep that's what the deal is

[King_David]

42. So you chose an extreme right Wing source over the lefty ones ?

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Only in IP on DU...

[Israeli]

45. Its the best place to learn about those ....

....that want to pray at the Temple Mount KD ....wont find any at Haaretz

[King_David]

47. It's informative indeed

[azurnoir]

48. wanted to make sure there were no 'paywall' problems

as sometimes there are with Ha'aretz

[RedstDem]

40. the king seems like a good guy

But the bar is pretty low when it comes to middle east leaders.

[azurnoir]

49. He's been a guest on the Daily Show a couple of times

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ar2432/king-abdullah-ii-of-jordan-pt--1