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Related: About this forumGovernment's 8-step plan to end terror
An 8-step plan to deal with the recent wave of terror and unrest in Israel was put forward by the leader of the Likud's Knesset chairman in the form of temporary legislation Wednesday, and it purportedly will allow Israel to crackdown on terrorists, their families and supporters.
The body of terrorists will not be transferred to their families, and will be buried in an unknown location, without ceremony and without future access for their families
Terrorists' houses will be destroyed within 24-hours of the attack
Masked stone throwers and those inciting for terror and violence participating in illegal protests in which firebombs or fireworks were thrown will be arrested and held in remand until the completion of legal procedures against them. The same measures will be taken against those who waved an 'enemy flag' during the protests, including the Palestinian flag. Anyone convicted at the end of their remand will lose their social welfare benefits and driving license for a 10 year period.
Families of terrorists will lose their citizenship and will be deported to Gaza should they express support for their relative's deed. Support, according to the bill, can be expressed through public or social media.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4596305,00.html
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)And I don't think that punishing a whole family for the deeds of a single person is okay with the Geneva conventions.
But Israel is in noooooooo way a racist apartheid-state.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Let's put a Tiger Team on it.
And: always with the threats. Does nobody know that positive reinforcement works better these days? And it's generally cheaper too.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)determine guilt...awesome.
Way to go, assholes.
King_David
(14,851 posts)WRT Osama Bun Laden same situation exactly.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I'm sure they might appreciate your promotion of their status
Star Member King_David (9,951 posts)
4. Precedent set for step 1 and 2 by president Obama
WRT Osama Bun Laden same situation exactly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113488593#post4
King_David
(14,851 posts)Is no different from slaying of New York citizens in World Trade Center -- equally as evil, equally as cowardly, equally as meaningless.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)BTW you failed to mention the Druze policeman who also was murdered why is that? Once again I'm sure somewhere your promotion in the status of these 2 murders is appreciated or something
King_David
7. The slaying of innocent Jews in Synagogue in cold blood
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Is no different from slaying of New York citizens in World Trade Center -- equally as evil, equally as cowardly, equally as meaningless.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113488593#post7
King_David
(14,851 posts)Yes .
But the real point is this is President Obamas precedent that Israel is now following.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and refusing them proper burial
King_David
(14,851 posts)Did with Osama Bin Ladens body ?
Google it.
He never returned it to the family and buried it at sea where it could never be visited or made into a martyr .
No link necessary.
That's called precedent.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)bodies of terrorists, I am aware of what was done with OBL's body are you? Will Israel be preforming burial at sea also? Or is this a theory you came up with on your own?
King_David
(14,851 posts)I'm saying it...
Because it clearly is precedent.
Link ?
Not necessary
Unknown where these terrorists bodies are buried as is the place of Bin Laden's.
Exact same circumstance and solution.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)so why not end any question some may have
King_David (9,972 posts)
19. Why would I need to link to anything?
I'm saying it...
Because it clearly is precedent.
Link ?
Not necessary
Unknown where these terrorists bodies are buried as is the place of Bin Laden's.
Exact same circumstance and solution.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113488593#post19
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you know second opinion something from the Israeli government, because this article did not mention any such thing, and oh will Israel be preforming burials at sea?
King_David
26. Link
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=88661
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113488593#post26
King_David
(14,851 posts)Why would I want a "second opinion " ?
That Obsma disposed of Bin Ladins body in an undisclosed place at sea without handing his body to the family --- is all fact. In that it preceded Israel doing it --- means it's precedent.
What's this "link" you keep going on about ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)to return the bodies of terrorists to their families, I mean there must be one somewhere authenticating that, right?
You didn't just make that up did you?
King_David
(14,851 posts)I'm not sure you understand ?
Obama was the 1st to refuse to return the body of terrorist to family.
Israel proposes doing that now.
Obama 1st , Israel 2nd.
This is all fact...and now I've explained it so many times to you that I can't do it again.
So hope it's clear now, I don't understand myself what you keep going on about a link but I'm no longer concerned and doesn't interest me that much that I need go around in these circles.
Hope you understand the precedent set by Obama now but if not, as I tell my students, that's the best I can do.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)hopefully you understand
King_David
(14,851 posts)Google what happened to Osama Bin Laden.
It's all there and now this discussion is going into the "bizarre "
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)refusing to allow the families of terrorists to have their bodies,
King_David
(14,851 posts)Anyone reading this is able to scroll back and read my post sans problem.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Star Member King_David (9,972 posts)
20. Whenever you reply to my posts I feel like there is an echo,
Anyone reading this is able to scroll back and read my post sans problem.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113488593#post20
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)You welcome to carry on doing whatever you doing but by repeating every post it looks like your "documenting" the post for some kind of "proof" in case the post is edited or deleted.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Right, dave?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Or what your point was.
Maybe it was posted on the wrong thread by accident ?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Your insistence on claiming ignorance of the most simple things truly is entertaining.
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israel revokes residency of Palestinian attacker's widow
Israel on Wednesday revoked the residency rights of the widow of a Palestinian who carried out a deadly attack on a Jerusalem synagogue, drawing condemnation from human rights groups.
The move came after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced he would seek broad powers to rescind the residency and welfare rights of any Palestinian citizen of Israel or resident of annexed East Jerusalem if they or their relatives participated in unrest.
"I have ordered the cancellation of Nadia Abu Jamal's permit to stay in Israel. Anyone who is involved in terror must take into account that there are likely to be implications for their family members too," Israeli Interior Minister Gilad Erdan said in a statement.
On Sunday, Israel revoked the residency of a Palestinian convicted of driving a suicide bomber to a Tel Aviv nightclub where he killed 21 people in 2001.
Mahmud Nadi had served a 10 year prison sentence for his part in the bombing.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=743000
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The attack[edit]
Suicide bomber Saeed Hotari was standing in line on a Friday night in front of the Dolphinarium, when the area was packed with youngsters (most of them Russian new arrivals) waiting for admission. Survivors of the attack later described how the young Palestinian bomber appeared to taunt his victims before the explosion, wandering among them dressed in clothes that led some to mistake him for an orthodox Jew from Asia, and banging a drum packed with explosives and ball bearings, while repeating the words in Hebrew: "Something's going to happen".[5] At 23:38, he detonated his explosive device. It was the second attack in five months on the same target.[6] Witnesses claimed that body parts lay all over the area, and that bodies were piled one above another on the sidewalk before being collected. Many civilians in the vicinity of the bombing rushed to assist emergency services.
One Israeli soldier and 20 civilians, mostly teenagers whose families immigrated from the former Soviet Union, died in the attack:[7]
Maria Tagiltseva, 14, of Netanya[8]
Raisa Nimrovsky, 15, of Netanya[9]
Ana Kazachkova, 15, of Holon[10]
Katherine Kastaniyada-Talkir, 15, of Ramat Gan[11]
Irina Nepomnyashchi, 16, of Bat Yam[12]
Mariana Medvedenko, 16, of Tel-Aviv[13]
Yulia Nelimov, 16, of Tel Aviv[14]
Liana Saakyan, 16, of Ramat Gan[15]
Marina Berkovizki, 17, of Tel Aviv[16]
Simona Rodin, 18, of Holon[17]
Aleksei Lupalu, 16, of the Ukraine[18]
Yelena Nelimov, 18, of Tel Aviv[19]
Irena Usdachi, 18, of Holon[20]
Ilya Gutman, 19, of Bat Yam[21]
Roman Dezanshvili, 21, of Bat Yam[22]
Pvt. Diez (Dani) Normanov, 21, of Tel Aviv[23]
Ori Shahar, 32, of Ramat Gan[24]
Yael-Yulia Sklianik, 15, of Holon[25] died of her injuries on June 2, 2001
Sergei Panchenko, 20, Ukraine[26] died of his injuries on June 2, 2001
Jan Bloom, 25, of Ramat Gan[27] died of his injuries on June 3, 2001
Yevgeniya Dorfman, 15, of Bat-Yam[28] died of her injuries on June 19, 2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_suicide_bombing
In case anyone isn't sure what the 10 year sentence was for.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)do you support this persons deportation after he served his sentence?