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JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 09:27 PM Aug 2016

Mainline European Physics journal publishes paper critical of NIST 9/11 report

The European physics journal of the European Physical Society, EurophysicsNews, recently published an article, 15 YEARS LATER: ON THE PHYSICS OF HIGH-RISE BUILDING COLLAPSES, co-authored by several outspoken critics of the commonly accepted "official" explanation for the complete collapse on 9/11 of the 3 WTC towers 1, 2 & 7 [as was put forth by the official investigatory body, the USA's National Institute of Standards and Technology or NIST] . The authors purport to show in their paper why NIST's explanation that these three buildings collapsed in such complete and spectacular fashion due two aircraft impacts (one each in WTC1 and 2) and the resulting office fires does does not stand up to scientific scrutiny.


The EurophysicsNews article concludes that purely from a physics and engineering perspective the evidence available does point to explosive demolition as the only reasonable explanation for the complete destruction of these three WTC towers. NIST does admit that it never tested for explosive residues in the wreckage. The authors do not make any accusations or speculate as to who exactly might have been responsible for pre-placing the explosives or incendiaries they believe were necessary to bring down the buildings in the manner observed.


The article is freely available in the EurophysicsNews magazine's PDF at this link (go to page 23 in your PDF reader):

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016-47-4.pdf

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Mainline European Physics journal publishes paper critical of NIST 9/11 report (Original Post) JohnyCanuck Aug 2016 OP
Unfortunately, it's the same crap AE911truth has been peddling for years William Seger Aug 2016 #1
there are now over 2600 architects and engineers... wildbilln864 Aug 2016 #2
120k architects in the US alone. zappaman Sep 2016 #5
So if controlled demolition was used to bring down the buildings.... JohnyCanuck Sep 2016 #3
LOL, nobody had the means William Seger Sep 2016 #4
still using that same lame assed "silent explosives" strawman eh willi? wildbilln864 Sep 2016 #9
Technical Report on WTC collapses mailed out to 35,000 engineers. JohnyCanuck Sep 2016 #6
Why "constant acceleration" proves that Richard Gage is an idiot William Seger Sep 2016 #7
go ahead and send that wildbilln864 Sep 2016 #8
william you actually believe... wildbilln864 Sep 2016 #10

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
1. Unfortunately, it's the same crap AE911truth has been peddling for years
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:32 AM
Aug 2016
NOTE FROM THE EDITORS
This feature is somewhat different from our usual purely scientific articles, in that it contains some speculation. However, given the timing and the importance of the issue, we consider that this feature is sufficiently technical and interesting to merit publication for our readers. Obviously, the content of this article is the responsibility of the authors.


EurophysicsNews magazine is not a peer-reviewed journal, and calling the article a "paper" is hyperbolic, but the feedback on the article should be "interesting."
 

wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
2. there are now over 2600 architects and engineers...
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:56 PM
Aug 2016

who are questioning the government's ridiculous official conspiracy theory supported by the anti-truth brigade here on DU. Thank you for posting & do not be discouraged.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
5. 120k architects in the US alone.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:33 PM
Sep 2016

6.2 million scientists/engineers in just the US.

Care to figure out the percentage of architects and engineers who agree with the truther silliness?

JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
3. So if controlled demolition was used to bring down the buildings....
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:39 AM
Sep 2016

Who had both the means and the motives to do so. Admittedly Osama and his alleged band of supposed Islamic fundamentalist jihadists could possibly have a motive, but would they have had the means?

The following video connects some dots and provides a possible answer as to who might have had both the motive and the means to destroy the buildings on 9/11 with a series of controlled demolitions using explosives or state of the art, thermite based incendiaries.

Beyond the 28 Pages - What A Real 9/11 Investigation Would Reveal


William Seger

(10,775 posts)
4. LOL, nobody had the means
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 02:33 PM
Sep 2016

... because there's no such thing as silent explosives. Even if you can get past the ludicrously implausible supposition that someone would plan such pointlessly complicated and unnecessarily risky hoax (when something much, much easier and safer would accomplish the same presumed purpose), and the even more implausible notion that they managed somehow to pull it off without getting caught, leaving no evidence whatsoever and no whistleblowers among the vast number of people who would need to be involved, WTC controlled demolition theories require an extraordinary cognitive dissonance: "Truthers" believe that the buildings were so strong that that a 150-ton plane moving 500+ MPH couldn't bring them down, nor could the entire top of the building falling, and yet they believe the massive columns were severed by explosive charges so small that we can't hear them on any of the videos -- unlike virtually every CD video on YouTube, even though the WTC buildings would have required more and larger charges than any of those buildings. In fact, calling such anti-reality nonsense a "theory" is a gross exaggeration.

It may not be the most idiotic conspiracy theory ever invented (I think that's a tie between the Pentagon 9/11 "flyover" theory and the moon-landing "hoax&quot , but it's certainly in the top ten.

JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
6. Technical Report on WTC collapses mailed out to 35,000 engineers.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 10:39 AM
Sep 2016

AE911 Truth has prepared a 14 page technical report with the title WORLD TRADE CENTER PHYSICS - Why Constant Acceleration Disproves Progressive Collapse which it has mailed out in time for the 9/11 anniversary to 35,000 senior engineers in government (including NIST), academia and business. It's along similar lines to the report On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses published in the latest edition of EurophysicsNews which questions some of the assumptions made by Professor Bazant in his own papers in which he sought to explain how the upper portions of the two WTC towers could have smashed through the bottom portion of the much larger, heavier and sturdier lower portions like a pile driver all the way to the bottom and after reaching the ground intact then destroy themselves, disintegrating in reverse this time from the bottom to top. However, this newer report is somewhat more technical in that the authors (all engineers) work through the engineering formulas and equations with the math displayed to make their point in a presentation more geared to engineering professionals.

Hard copies of the report are available for purchase from AE911Truth for $10 each plus postage. They have also made a free download of the report in PDF format available at the link below, although last time I checked they do require you to leave a name with a physical address and email address to access the download. There is also a request to leave a donation of a few dollars to cover their costs, however the donation is entirely voluntary.

http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=d03bf3ffcac549c7dc7888ef5&id=669d25a1b1&e=[UNIQID]

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
7. Why "constant acceleration" proves that Richard Gage is an idiot
Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:22 AM
Sep 2016

It's completely impossible for the WTC towers to fall at "constant acceleration" even if they were controlled demolitions. Regardless of what started the collapses, they would consist of thousands of individual failure events involving falling mass impacting intact structure and being briefly decelerated while it stressed that structural element into failure. A 12-foot steel column can only be compressed a fraction of an inch before it begins to buckle and rapidly lose strength, which means it's no longer able to provide a constant resistance force, so the falling mass would begin accelerating again. But from the rubble pile, we know that the predominant failure mode, by far, was not columns buckling; it was floors ripped from their support beams. That kind of failure literally took microseconds, after which the entire mass plus the new debris would be in free fall again, hitting the next collision with even more force.

This "constant acceleration" bullshit is the bastard brainchild of an incompetent high school physics teacher named David Chandler who apparently doesn't realize that when he measures the fall of the top of the building, he is seeing the net result of thousands of individual failure events, so he can only see the average acceleration of a completely chaotic system. (His confirmation bias also causes him to ignore the fact that even his own data doesn't really show constant acceleration -- he just plots his points and draws a best-fit straight line through them, which is a classic example of a logical fallacy called "affirming the consequent" or "begging the question.&quot But the real kicker is that this high school physics teacher doesn't realize that if the top of the building and debris are in motion, then by definition it's a dynamic system, so his static analysis of the force of gravity versus structural resistance is too incomplete to have any meaning. In a dynamic system, you also have to account for inertial forces, and if you think that might only be a small difference, consider the difference between balancing a brick on your head and having a brick fall from 12 feet. Chandler claims that if the top of the building was falling at a "constant" acceleration of two-thirds gravity, then that means the bottom structure was only providing resistance equal to one-third the weight of the top. That's bullshit. If the thousands of individual failure events resulted in an average acceleration of two-thirds gravity, that means the structure provided resistance equal to one-third the weight plus the inertial forces of that weight in motion -- a much larger force which Chandler completely ignores.

Gage invites his gullible followers to fall for various "appeal to authority" logical fallacies, starting with his pretense that his own AIA membership qualifies him as an expert in anything. For this "constant acceleration" nonsense, we're supposed to believe that someone who has taught high school physics for 40 years must know what he's talking about. But the incompetence of Chandler's analysis implies that Chandler has probably been sharing some faulty notions about physics with his students for 40 years, but nobody contradicted him.

So then Chandler teams up with Tony Szamboti, a mechanical engineer infamous for his "missing jolt" hypothesis. This is the idea that Chandler's data should show a large "jolt" -- a sudden change in acceleration -- when the top of the building impacts the columns in the structure below, all at once, and pushes those columns into plastic buckling. Szamboti claims that the only explanation for the absence of a large jolt is a controlled demolition. (But like Chandler, he never actually explains how a controlled demolition could produce the observed result, either; he just assumes it.) For years now, Szamboti has abjectly refused to recognize that the problem with his hypothesis is that it's totally irrelevant because that scenario simply didn't happen; the top of the building did not fall cleanly onto the columns below and push them all into buckling, all at once. The tops of both buildings tilted before the first impacts, so even where columns buckled, those failures were spread out over time, not all at once. But the bigger problem is that, as noted above, most of the failures were floors simply ripped from their supports, which happened precisely because that required less energy than crushing the columns they were attached to. After countless internet debates, Szamboti knows all this but he just can't bring himself to acknowledging the implication. The "missing jolt" is the best he can do to protect his controlled demolition delusions, so he's sticking with it.

This is the state of the "truther structural mechanics" that Gage will mail to engineers. Next year, he'll solicit more money from his gullible followers to do it again, with no explanation for why qualified people are ignoring him. Happy anniversary.

 

wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
10. william you actually believe...
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:22 AM
Sep 2016

that a small already damaged and lighter section of the tower actually smashed down all the way to the ground the rest of the tower? really?
even though the rest of the tower was undamaged? structuraly sound.
really?
even though it would have to plow through the undamaged remainder? really?
knowing that the building's 47 massive steel core columns and other steel framing increased in size and thickness, therefore was more robust than the above part?
really?
and it even accelerated! really?
you trying to sell that here for a long long time now. Over a decade. haven't convinced anyone but you keep trying.

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