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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 11:09 AM Sep 2013

Some pushback from military chaplains

Catholics:

http://www.milarch.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=dwJXKgOUJiIaG&b=8486699&ct=13291849

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
09/18/2013


Archbishop Timothy P. Broglio Issues Guidance to Catholic Military Chaplains on Same-Gender Relationships
Statement reiterates Church teaching on homosexuality


WASHINGTON, D.C. – His Excellency, the Most Reverend Timothy P. Broglio, J.C.D., Archbishop for the Military Services, has sent to all priests and deacons in the Archdiocese for the Military Services (AMS) a statement entitled “Renewed Fidelity in favor of Evangelization.” Signed on September 17, the memorial of St. Robert Bellarmine, the document provides guidance for Catholic chaplains and contract priests and deacons who may encounter ministry situations involving Catholic or non-Catholic parties in same gender “marital” relationships.
Here follows the text of the statement from Archbishop Broglio:

Renewed Fidelity in favor of Evangelization

As members of the Church founded by Jesus Christ to meet the needs of the baptized and to proclaim that good news about the salvation given by Him, we are also aware of His clear teaching about the danger of scandal (Mt. 18:6). This world is a pilgrimage to life without end. At the conclusion of our walk through life we must stand before the Throne of Grace to give an accounting of our fidelity.

St. Paul reminds priests to be all things to all people (1Cor. 9:22). A clear disservice is rendered if the truth of the Gospel is confused by the actions of those ordained to disseminate that truth. The current situation makes it necessary to reiterate with clarity the teaching of the Catholic Church regarding homosexuality. However, it must never be forgotten that the human condition occasions many failings. St. Paul continually reminds us of that fact in his letters to the communities of believers.

Priests ordained to minister Word and Sacrament and endorsed to serve Catholics in the Armed Forces, the Veterans Administration Medical Centers, and those who serve the US Federal Government outside the borders of the United States of America know that theirs is a twenty-four-seven vocation. By speech, action, and example they witness to the truth revealed by the Lord in all that they do (see Eph. 4:14).

Recent changes in interpretations of the laws of the Federal Government oblige me to recall what is clearly held by the Catholic Church. At the same time I am grateful to the Congress of the United States for its passage of renewed conscience-protection language, specifically for chaplains in the Armed Forces.

Ministry
No Catholic priest or deacon may be forced by any authority to witness or bless the union of couples of the same gender. No Catholic priest or deacon can be obliged to assist at a “Strong Bonds” or other “Marriage Retreat”, if that gathering is also open to couples of the same gender. A priest who is asked to counsel non-Catholic parties in a same-gendered relationship will direct them to a chaplain who is able to assist. Catholic parties will, of course, be encouraged by the priest to strive to live by the teaching of the Gospel.

Participation in retirements, changes of command, and promotion ceremonies is possible, as long as the priest is not required to acknowledge or approve of a “spouse” of the same gender.

While the tradition of the Catholic Church always tries to find reasons to bury the dead, a priest may not be placed in a situation where his assistance at a funeral for a Catholic would give the impression that the Church approves of same sex “marital” relationships (see CIC, c. 1184, §1,3º). In the case of doubt, the Archbishop for the Military Services, USA must be consulted (see CIC, c. 1184, §2).
Lay Ministries

Obviously, anyone who is known to be in a sinful relationship is excluded from ministries in the Catholic community. While this list is not intended to cover every situation, lectors, extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, altar servers, catechists, and members of the Catholic Council immediately come to mind.

Participation
We are also mindful of the Lord’s words, “Let the one among you who is guiltless be the first to throw a stone…” (Jn. 8 b). The Church must minister to all regardless of their sexual inclination. While the invitation to conversion cannot be diluted, the door to the mercy of Christ, obtained through His Cross, must be kept open. Priests and deacons will be guided by the principles of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (cf. nos. 2358-2359) and never forget that it is the sin that is hated and never the sinner.

In the quest for continued fidelity to the truth of the Gospel, it must not be forgotten that estimates indicate that same-gender couples represent less than half of one percent of those in the Armed Forces. While every individual is important, such a small group cannot be allowed to mandate policy for all.

Guidance for Catholics in Command Positions

I am not unaware that the faithful entrusted to my pastoral care also include those Catholics who exercise command positions. They can be faced with additional questions as they fulfill their responsibilities to those above and below them in the chain of command. Consequently in response to a doubt raised by the AMS regarding the question of a person’s possible cooperation with evil, the National Catholic Bioethics Center (NCBC) stated:

“Commanders of United States military installations/veterans’ facilities (hereafter, ‘commanders’) would not be engaging in morally illicit cooperation, but rather tolerable remote mediate material cooperation with evil by implementing federal employee benefits accruing pursuant to same-sex marriage, as required by United States v. Windsor. Our determination is contingent on the situations in which commanders are unable to avoid such cooperation without jeopardizing their own just right to their employment security for themselves and/or their families. This is also contingent on the commander making known his/her objection to being required to so participate, as well as on attempting through legal channels to continue to accomplish changes in policy consistent with the historic understanding of marriage and family as based on natural moral law. Also, if without incurring a demotion of loss or downgrade of position/rank/grade or other serious harm, there is a mechanism to have others more senior in the chain of command to carry out the implementation of such policy, this should be pursued.”

Most Reverend Timothy P. Broglio
Archbishop for the Military Services


Washington, DC, 17 September 2013, Memorial of St. Robert Bellarmine

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The Archdiocese for the Military Services (AMS) was created as an independent archdiocese by Pope John Paul II in 1985 as the only Catholic jurisdiction responsible for endorsing and granting faculties for priests to serve as chaplains in the U.S. military and VA Medical Centers.

AMS-endorsed priests serve at more than 220 U.S. military installations in 29 countries, making the AMS the nation's only global archdiocese. AMS-endorsed priests also serve at 153 VA Medical Centers throughout the U.S.

The AMS service population also includes American Catholic civilians working for the federal government in 134 countries, but currently, due to limited resources, the AMS cannot adequately serve this population.

Worldwide, an estimated 1.8 million Catholics depend on the AMS to meet their spiritual and sacramental needs.

For more information on the Archdiocese for the Military Services, visit www.milarch.org, the only official website for Catholics in the military and for the Cause of Father Vincent Capodanno, MM.


Baptist:

http://www.stripes.com/news/baptist-group-prohibits-chaplains-from-some-same-sex-functions-1.239410

Baptist group prohibits chaplains from some same-sex functions
By Steven Beardsley
Published: September 5, 2013

NAPLES, Italy — The U.S. religious denomination responsible for the largest share of active-duty military chaplains has prohibited its members from participating in services for same-sex couples, including weddings, counseling sessions and couples’ retreats.


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Some pushback from military chaplains (Original Post) unhappycamper Sep 2013 OP
If men loved each other instead of killing each other dickthegrouch Sep 2013 #1
I just started watching The Borgias. Not much as changed. MNBrewer Sep 2013 #2
Did you catch the major anachronism in the first show? dickthegrouch Sep 2013 #3
Yes. Handel's Zadok the Priest for Alexander VI's coronation processional MNBrewer Sep 2013 #4
Another musical anachronism is in the movie "Elizabeth" MNBrewer Sep 2013 #5
"His Excellency"? xfundy Sep 2013 #6
That's the military archbishop talking. MADem Sep 2013 #7

dickthegrouch

(3,175 posts)
1. If men loved each other instead of killing each other
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 11:49 AM
Sep 2013

(in direct contravention to the 7th commandment)
The Military Industrial Complex might fall apart. This is just yet another business preservation attempt.
Bishops are all hard-nosed businessmen at heart. That is their job.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
5. Another musical anachronism is in the movie "Elizabeth"
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 01:01 PM
Sep 2013

where they used the Mozart Requiem in the closing sequence. It was effective, but anachronistic.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
6. "His Excellency"?
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 01:54 PM
Sep 2013

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Such "royalty" they believe they deserve. Then again, they do live like kings, with servants bowing down to them, issuing commands and affecting the populace with their bullshit decrees.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. That's the military archbishop talking.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 01:29 AM
Sep 2013

Navy will stop taking chaplains if they start playing the pick and choose game, and I'll wager others will follow suit. Military funerals are the real hard-and-fast problem area. The rest is just bullshit. In civilian life, Catholic priests don't do gay marriages (YET....anyway) so there shouldn't be a mandated exception in military settings, particularly since doing weddings isn't a "military duty."

Doing funerals, though, at sea or if a chaplain is assigned to Arlington, for example, IS.

And since a chaplain's role is to "facilitate the free exercise of religion" that Catholic priest can help that sailor, airman, Marine or soldier find someone to do their ceremony, if he can't manage to do it--that IS his job, too, to provide assistance to make sure people have worship opportunities.

I think this will be resolved quickly and quietly. Time for that ambassador to the Vatican to earn that fat paycheck.

We'll see.....

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