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niyad

(113,213 posts)
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:15 PM Mar 2017

Trump did to Merkel what men do to women all the time

Trump did to Merkel what men do to women all the time


Men constantly ignore women – but most of the time no one notices it. Except, that is, when it happens on the world stage



A few years ago, my husband and I ran into a mutual acquaintance at a restaurant. This young man – a person who would surely identify as progressive – spent the entirety our interaction completely ignoring me. He spoke only to my husband; he wouldn’t even look at me when I asked a direct question. While it would be tempting to write off the exchange as simple rudeness, this brand of slight is familiar to most women. Perhaps it happens when you go to buy a car and the salesperson only speaks to your male partner. Or when you meet someone at a work event and they only introduce themselves to the male colleague beside you. Or, if you’re Angela Merkel, maybe the notoriously misogynist president of the United States refuses to shake your hand or even deign to look at you during a press conference. We hear quite a lot about explicit sexism like cat calls or discrimination, but less overt indignities can be just as infuriating – in part, because they’re so hard to explain to those who haven’t experienced them.

Aziz Ansari’s hit Netflix show, Master of None, had a brilliant episode dedicated to just this topic. Ansari’s character, Dev, spends the majority of the episode realizing how much sexism women have to deal with: from men following women home and flashing them on subways, to lewd comments on social media. But when Dev’s girlfriend, Rachel, points out that his director only introduced himself to the men at the table – ignoring the two women sitting there – he balks slightly. Surely, he says, there was some misunderstanding: The director was in a rush, or Rachel is reading too much into it.

When Dev finally admits that perhaps the interaction was gendered, Rachel explains why what happened was so painful: “There are lot of subtle little things that happen to me and all women, even in our little progressive world. And when somebody, especially my boyfriend, tells me I’m wrong without having any way of knowing my personal experience, it’s insulting.”

When I tweeted about Trump ignoring Merkel, and how familiar an experience it is to women, dozens chimed in. One said both she and her husband were journalists but men will generally only ask him about his work. Another noted that the bosses on her team are all women, but it’s the teenage male intern who gets the questions.The assumption, of course, is that the women in the room simply aren’t important enough to warrant attention or conversation. It’s a phenomenon I’ve noticed increases as women get older, and ever more invisible.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/21/trump-did-to-merkel-what-men-do-to-women-all-the-time

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unblock

(52,169 posts)
1. i caught some of the other side when i did my 10 hours of e.r. training for my emt certification.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:59 PM
Mar 2017

the e.r. included male and female nurses, male and female physician's assistants, and male and female doctors.
the attending was female.

other than carrying a stethoscope (no hospital uniform -- civvies), all signs should have pointed to me not belonging there. i was clueless as to the usual routine or procedures, down to where i was even supposed to stand.

yet patients and their families kept asking me questions as if i was in charge and had all the answers, and calling me "doctor". it happened at least half a dozen times during my 10 hours. often right after someone, often female, who *clearly* was in charged said something very medical and authoritative.


really? a random male in street clothes with a puzzled look on his face is treated as a doctor while a clearly confident and knowledgeable female in hospital uniform with "dr. ____" stitched on it is ignored?

Croney

(4,657 posts)
2. Oh lord my pet peeve.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 03:15 PM
Mar 2017

I stand in a take-out order line and when I'm next, the clerk asks the guy behind me. "What can I get for you?" I say, "What about me, am I invisible? I'm next!" Clerk stammers, "Oh, I thought you were with, ah, those other people."

Happens a lot. Just because I'm old and often dress like a bag lady doesn't mean you can make assumptions about whether I'm real or you're imagining me. 😱

niyad

(113,213 posts)
5. women of a certain age are often ignored. we are invisible. that is one of the reasons
Fri Mar 24, 2017, 02:26 PM
Mar 2017

I love the red hatters. DAMNED if you can ignore us!!

LakeArenal

(28,810 posts)
3. One of our favorite, regular restaurants......
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 04:06 PM
Mar 2017

We go to all the time. We know the servers names. We always have the same drink order, coffee (him) and a diet pepsi (me)...
Every time we go, she says... Coffee for you... to him and What can I get you ... for me... sigh...

LakeArenal

(28,810 posts)
7. The good thing though....
Fri Mar 24, 2017, 04:26 PM
Mar 2017

My husband "sees" what so many other men do not see.. He gets it.. Last time we went he said,"yes, coffee for me and her usual diet pepsi..." That usual to point out... she always gets that...

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