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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:18 PM Feb 2013

Gun nuts misunderstand meaning of Constitution

I have something I’d like to say to everyone out there who thinks we need our semiautomatic weapons in case our government becomes tyrannical. My gawd, it’s a good thing for you that the government doesn’t take you any more seriously than I do. You call yourselves Americans? You call yourselves patriots? Taking up arms against the government is called treason, my friends, and as long as we have anything remotely resembling a functional electoral system, it's also called stupid.

How people like you can fly your American flags and display your patriotic bumper stickers and talk about the need for private citizens to have assault rifles to use against the U.S. government blows my mind.

You have apparently swallowed (hook, line, etc.) what is spewed by people whose main interest is in making money off of your paranoia. You have apparently not paid one bit of attention to the rational arguments made against those people.

http://www.heraldonline.com/2013/02/01/4587023/gun-nuts-misunderstand-meaning.html#storylink=cpy
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Gun nuts misunderstand meaning of Constitution (Original Post) SecularMotion Feb 2013 OP
How people like you can fly your American flags and display your patriotic bumper stickers Flashmann Feb 2013 #1
Subaru in the United States SecularMotion Feb 2013 #2
I said Subaru,generically Flashmann Feb 2013 #5
I understand. Foreign words scare you. SecularMotion Feb 2013 #6
Foreign words scare you. Flashmann Feb 2013 #7
You may agree with the OP SecularMotion Feb 2013 #10
...You're one to throw stones calling gun owners fetishists... iiibbb Feb 2013 #11
It seems you've already been converted by the morans. SecularMotion Feb 2013 #12
No I just think you are a hyporcrite of the highest order. iiibbb Feb 2013 #15
GET A BRAIN! GO USA! Callisto32 Feb 2013 #33
Wooosh! SecularMotion Feb 2013 #34
Yeah, missed that. Callisto32 Feb 2013 #35
Incredible..Besides obfuscation and cherry picking Flashmann Feb 2013 #13
Well, you've learned something today SecularMotion Feb 2013 #14
For your own well being Flashmann Feb 2013 #16
Do you really want to keep this up? SecularMotion Feb 2013 #17
Do you really want to keep this up?...No! Flashmann Feb 2013 #18
Words have meanings SecularMotion Feb 2013 #19
Aspen? gejohnston Feb 2013 #20
I thought he meant an obsolete Dodge. nt Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #26
who makes MichaelHarris Feb 2013 #28
No......Vizio Flashmann Feb 2013 #29
What do you think of these posts? rrneck Feb 2013 #3
another banal op-ed/letter to the editor gejohnston Feb 2013 #4
Methinks the author hasn't thought this through kudzu22 Feb 2013 #8
No, no, see, this is what will happen. Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #9
Opinions are like.... ileus Feb 2013 #21
I hate football. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #22
a lot gejohnston Feb 2013 #23
and it should be abolished - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #24
Same 'ol dreary MSM culture war, heard now for over 30 yrs. Nc Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #25
Gun nuts misunderstand MichaelHarris Feb 2013 #27
Just as others 'misunderstand' media reports and police radio messages, amirite? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #32
I'm sure in your mind MichaelHarris Feb 2013 #36
Nobody here makes these arguments, I don't think krispos42 Feb 2013 #30
The Second Amendment...was written so that the people could have a well-organized militia. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #31

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
1. How people like you can fly your American flags and display your patriotic bumper stickers
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:26 PM
Feb 2013

Seems to me to be a similar disconnect and mind set as the people who paste "Buy American-Build American" bumper stickers all over the backs of their Subarus,that I used to see a lot of when living in the Aspen-Snowmass area.....

Some people just don't get it,and never will.......

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
2. Subaru in the United States
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:36 PM
Feb 2013
Subaru of America was established in 1968 in Philadelphia by Malcolm Bricklin and Harvey Lamm. It relocated to Pennsauken, New Jersey, shortly thereafter and moved to its current headquarters in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, when Fuji Heavy Industries acquired full ownership. Subaru of America operates Regional offices, Zone offices and Parts Distribution Centers throughout the United States. Subaru of America also operates Port Facilities on both the West and East coast.

In 1989, Subaru and then-partner Isuzu opened a joint factory in Lafayette, Indiana, called Subaru-Isuzu Automotive, Inc., or SIA, which initially manufactured the Subaru Legacy and Isuzu Rodeo. In 2001, Isuzu sold their stake in the plant to FHI for $1 due to flagging sales and it was renamed Subaru of Indiana Automotive Inc. SIA has been designated a backyard wildlife Habitat by the National Wildlife Federation and has achieved a zero-landfill production designation (the first automotive assembly plant in the United States to earn that designation).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru#Subaru_in_the_United_States

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
5. I said Subaru,generically
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:48 PM
Feb 2013

I've seen those bumper stickers on all makes of imports.....

*ETA*

A Build American-Buy American bumper sticker would seem more at home on the back of a Ford than on a Kia,(generically again),was my point.....

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
7. Foreign words scare you.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:56 PM
Feb 2013

No.....Not at all.....But nice obfuscation of a point made in an attempt to agree with your OP and cherry picking of phrasing....Well done.....

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
10. You may agree with the OP
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:48 PM
Feb 2013

but you used a poor example in an attempt to equate gun nuts with "subaru-driving liberals"

https://www.google.com/search?q=subaru+driving+liberals

That's a comment I'd expect to see on a RWNJ site, not Democratic Underground.

 

iiibbb

(1,448 posts)
11. ...You're one to throw stones calling gun owners fetishists...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:52 PM
Feb 2013

When you're dead, the Mormans will convert you.

Callisto32

(2,997 posts)
33. GET A BRAIN! GO USA!
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:47 PM
Feb 2013

Dude, spelling it correctly would have made it a BETTER pun... Mormon/moron.

See, those are closer than Mormon/moran, so more punny.

I mean, your posting does show a general lack of originality, mostly consisting of simply linking op-eds, so I suppose I should give you a break on not being that good at jokes.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
13. Incredible..Besides obfuscation and cherry picking
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 04:35 PM
Feb 2013

You seem to have amazing psychic ability and real talent for drawing inferences from thin air,as well as reading between lines where nothing exists....Bravo!!....

I said nothing about Subaru driving liberals......You did...The make of the car or who drives it is inconsequential to the point...I was merely,albeit perhaps clumsily,pointing out a bit of hypocrisy very similar to,and meant to bolster the "patriot" claim your OP made,in that some PEOPLE would use a foreign made product as a vehicle to promote buying/building American,and not recognize the silliness of it.....Shame on me....

To someone disinclined to argue,condemn and cherry pick for the sheer hell of it,that shouldn't be too complicated a notion to grasp....I can understand that someone predisposed to find "bad intent" where none exists,and who exhibits a narrow minded,pompous sense of self righteousness would be compelled to find some fault in someone in agreement with him,as ridiculous as that seems.....Really......I do understand.....No hard feelings....

"That's a comment I'd expect to see on a RWNJ site, not Democratic Underground."


That's a most curious and asinine assumption and projection,even for someone who only offers a pretense of any sort of enlightenment....Very sad....I do understand though,and I want you to know there is help available,if you just seek it out....

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
14. Well, you've learned something today
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 04:44 PM
Feb 2013

I hope in the future that you will refrain from using smears against liberals to make your arguments on DU.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
16. For your own well being
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:05 PM
Feb 2013

Please seek professional help......

In recognition that you've intentionally allowed our little interaction to devolve to a level beneath me,while failing to acknowledge that YOU misunderstood and misjudged,these will be my last words.....

Really..I implore you to pursue counseling...A professional can likely and rapidly dissuade you from illusions that you're able to offer any coherent critcism or debate.....Honestly!!

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
17. Do you really want to keep this up?
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:13 PM
Feb 2013

You can plead ignorance on the Subaru remark, but when you added "Aspen-Snowmass" I think it makes it clear that your comment was a smear against liberals.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
18. Do you really want to keep this up?...No!
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:28 PM
Feb 2013

I realize I said I was done,and after this I will be,rest assured....

In response to my observation of your inability to offer up coherent criticsm or debate,due to your irrational cherry picking,obfuscation and stubborn insistence in attributing words and meaning to me,that were written by you,pulled from thin air with no basis in reason or fact,you offer more irrational cherry picking,obfuscation and stubborn insistence??

Good God man.....Get a grip on reality!!!

Please..I'm begging you....Get help soon.....

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
19. Words have meanings
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:40 PM
Feb 2013

The words "Subaru" and "Aspen" have well known liberal connections. You can plead ignorance to that fact, but I don't buy it.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
20. Aspen?
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:03 PM
Feb 2013

I only associated the place with skiing and tourist traps, kind of like Jackson Hole. Boulder and liberals, I can picture.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
29. No......Vizio
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:45 AM
Feb 2013

Look....I'm not having this asinine discussion again....I have nothing against foreigners or foreign products....I was ONLY alluding to the hypocricy of using a foreign made product as a means with which to promote the build-buy American theme......Jesus H Christ you people are thick as bricks....

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
8. Methinks the author hasn't thought this through
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:58 PM
Feb 2013

From the piece:

Now, if George Washington had declared himself king (or dictator or something), treason would have been justified. But he didn’t. No president since has done that. Let me know if it happens, and I will join you in the NRA and do everything I can to topple our government.


Yeah, you kinda need to have the weapons before the president declares himself king.

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
9. No, no, see, this is what will happen.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:40 PM
Feb 2013

Congress will see it coming, and loosen gun laws a few years before they abolish elections. Sporting chance, and all.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
21. Opinions are like....
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:46 PM
Feb 2013

Odd how willing some are to give up my rights for me....wonder what other right's of mine they don't have a use for?

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
22. I hate football.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:50 PM
Feb 2013

Does anyone know what was the total number of football injuries in 2012 ... all the way from pee-wee to the pros? thanks in advance.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
24. and it should be abolished -
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:19 PM
Feb 2013

Football is one of the most popular sports played by young athletes, and it leads all other sports in the number of injuries sustained. In 2007, more than 920,000 athletes under the age of 18 were treated in emergency rooms, doctors' offices, and clinics for football-related injuries, according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
30. Nobody here makes these arguments, I don't think
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:41 AM
Feb 2013

I know it's popular and make you feel good to think that pretty much everybody buying an AR-15 or AK-47 is to protect themselves from and/or overthrow the government. But it's not true. If there's ever a time where there is a serious nationwide insurgency against the federal government, there will be plenty of government-issued weapons around.

And considering that there is pretty much universal agreement on DU that the corporations and wealthy control the government and that election results are jerry-mandered or outright fraudulent, I find this demand for absolutist, unquestioning faith in the election system interesting.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
31. The Second Amendment...was written so that the people could have a well-organized militia.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:33 PM
Feb 2013
But, you know what? If, gawd forbid, Obama declares himself king (or dictator or something), and we lose all of our rights and have to take up arms against the government, we're going to lose. You know why? We’re going to lose because our government has the most powerful military in history. And neither Obama nor anyone else could take over this country without the support of the U.S. military. So, if you take up arms against the U.S. government, you're going to be facing the U.S. military.


Am I the only one that sees that it's pointless to consider exercising a right after "losing" it?

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