Missouri State House Democrats Introduce Legislation to Confiscate Firearms

[Pullo]

4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:

(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;

(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or

(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.

5. Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.

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This bill should be titled "NRA Rhetoric Validation Act of 2013."

So, nobody is advocating taking peoples guns ..... except for some of them, which happen to be the most popular types of rifles in the US today. Right.

[Angry Dragon]

1. stupid

[Glaug-Eldare]

2. Very nice. We've got those in Maryland, too.

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[Oatka]

5. Thanks for posting the letter

From the Internet:
"Felony classification depends on the state, and every state decides the specific minimum and maximum punishable sentences. Under federal law, Class C felonies have a maximum prison term of 25 years, but with a minimum of 10 or more years (as of April 2011). Classification C felonies also have up to a $250,000 maximum fine. In general, class C felonies apply to repeat offenders but also include severe crimes against a person's body or property."

and another:
“Class C Felonies
Class C felonies include crimes such as felony drunk driving, second-degree sexual assault, kidnapping, arson, robbery, and vehicular homicide while intoxicated. The penalty for Class C felonies is a fine up to $100,000, imprisonment for up to 40 years, or both.”

Class A and B Felonies refer to homicide, conspiracy, first-degree sexual assault, or kidnapping, so they are putting these gun owners in a pretty odious class.

Archiving for the next anti who says gun owners "have an irrational fear on confiscation".

The politicians: Representatives ELLINGER (Sponsor), SCHUPP, MCNEIL and WALTON GRAY

Details of the proposed law at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4c4_1360857857

[Callisto32]

6. Plus, note the emphasis on money.

Cuz throwing dollars at a problem ALWAYS works, right, right?

[littlewolf]

3. so besides a lot of press and a lot of money raised

by the GOP and the NRA and firms that do political ads.
how likely is this to become law?
Will Jay Nixon sign it.

[deathrind]

4. Says nothing...

About pistols/shotguns/bolt-action hunting rifles being taken.

[Callisto32]

7. So, you didn't read the statute then?

Sehr klar, mein Herr.

[deathrind]

17. Trying-

To limit the type of fire power and capacity one can walk into a crowded theater or elementary school with is nowhere near comparable to a group of people who installed industrial furnaces for one purpose only…

Non stultus esse.

[Callisto32]

29. Dude, just speaking german.

We still have some on our local dialect.

I forget German is short hand for nazi on the internet.

Sure, I was being snarky, but I was just saying "clearly sir you did not read the statute."

See posts below for further explanation.

[Oatka]

8. Thought you got the memo

"Says nothing . . . About pistols/shotguns/bolt-action hunting rifles being taken"

They come later.

Small steps, small steps.

[deathrind]

11. Supposition. N/T

[holdencaufield]

15. Based on stated fact ...

"a piecemeal approach is best" ... Carolyn McCarthy, D (NY)

"If I could have banned them all...I would have!" ... Dianne Feinstein D (CA)

and others ...

[jmg257]

16. But wasn't Ms Feinstein talking about assault weapons in that quote?

And isn't Ms McCarthy talking about having several 'piecemeal' bills instead of 1 'comprehensive" bill (maybe like S.33 vs S.150)? As a better means of getting them passed?

Hmmm....seems being disingenious about Democrat members of Congress is pretty sad, being we are on Democratice Underground, no?

edit remove "nt" from title, McCarthy quote added:

"A ban on high-capacity gun magazines has a good chance of passing the Republican-led U.S. House if it’s offered as a stand-alone bill, said Representative Carolyn McCarthy, a New York Democrat.

With opposition in Congress to an assault-weapons ban, advancing a broad package of firearms restrictions could imperil President Barack Obama’s initiative to curb gun violence, McCarthy said today at a Bloomberg Government breakfast. She said a ban on the high-capacity devices that feed bullets and expanded background checks have support among lawmakers and could be approved.

Democrats initially had wanted to advance one major legislative package, including a ban on assault weapons, in the aftermath of the Dec. 14 shootings that killed 20 children and six adults in Newtown, Connecticut. Now, McCarthy says she’s “come around to thinking” a piecemeal approach is best.

“I was one that wanted a comprehensive package,” said McCarthy, whose husband was killed in a 1993 shooting on a Long Island Rail Road train. “I’m not going to derail everything.”

[deathrind]

22. If

It ever came to that I would be solidly against it. I certainly believe in the 2nd amendment. As I stated in another reply however limiting the capacity and fire power one can walk into a crowded theater or elementary school with is a reasonable action given the ample evidence of tragic events that have taken place, this really is a case where a few bad apples have ruined it for everyone.

[Callisto32]

19. Oy gevalt.

AN ACT

To amend chapter 571, RSMo, by adding thereto one new section relating to the manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of any assault weapon or large capacity magazine, with a penalty provision.



Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the state of Missouri, as follows:

Section A. Chapter 571, RSMo, is amended by adding thereto one new section, to be known as section 571.023, to read as follows:
571.023. 1. As used in this section the following terms shall mean:
(1) "Assault weapon", any:
(a) Semi-automatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. A pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
b. Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the nontrigger hand;
c. A folding or telescoping stock; or
d. A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel;
(b) Semi-automatic pistol, or any semi-automatic, centerfire or rimfire rifle with a fixed magazine, that has the capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition;
(c) Semi-automatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine[/band has one or more of the following:
a. Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the nontrigger hand;
b. A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
c. A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; or
d. The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at any location outside of the pistol grip;
(d) Semi-automatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:
a. A pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
b. Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the nontrigger hand;
c. A folding or telescoping stock;
d. A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; or
e. An ability to accept a detachable magazine;
(e) Shotgun with a revolving cylinder; or
(f) Conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.


Just read the bold parts....

ETA: Hell, the way it's written right now, you could argue in court that it covers any semi-auto pistol.

[jmg257]

24. What? Any semi-auto pistol?? Don't see it...

(1) "Assault weapon", any:
(a) Semi-automatic rifle that has ...
...
(b) Semi-automatic pistol, or any semi-automatic, centerfire or rimfire rifle with a fixed magazine, that has the capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition;
(c) Semi-automatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
a. Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the nontrigger hand;
b. A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
c. A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; or
d. The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at any location outside of the pistol grip
(d) Semi-automatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:
a. A pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
...;

Semi pistol is fairly typical, the shotgun section is more interesting - no more SA tactical shotguns with a pistol grip.

[Callisto32]

26. Look

Semi automatic pistol{comma}or...

I didn't say it was a slam dunk, just that I could argue it.

As the statute is currently written, that phrase before the comma could stand alone.

[jmg257]

28. Ahh..got ya..interesting! nt

[Callisto32]

30. Yeah, my tags got screwed up on that statute heavy one and I got sick of trying to fix it.

More is bold than should be.

[jmg257]

9. Wow - even NY backed off this when they realized how much BS it would cause.

Good luck, MO!

[spin]

10. I worry that efforts like this will hurt the Democratic Party in the midterm elections. ...

and beyond. It's my opinion that overreaching will only convince many gun owners to show up at the polls to vote against any Democrat, even those who actually support gun rights.

I also feel that such proposals will make it extremely difficult to pass any legislation that would actually make a difference and reduce gun violence in our nation.

I could be wrong. Time will tell.

[littlewolf]

12. I fear you are right

the GOP and NRA and the candidates opponents will use a very big broad brush it has worked in the past. this time maybe the charm, maybe. it will depend on the district and how fast he gets out in front of this saying he doesn't support it. even then it is iffy.

[Glaug-Eldare]

14. I know I'll be fighting some incumbents in the state primaries.

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Those Democrats who disapprove of my civil rights will have to protect themselves from my time and dollars, and quite a few others'. Even if there isn't a good pro-2A candidate on the list, I want our legislators to know that their seats are not as safe as they'd like to be.'

[krispos42]

13. If I surrender it to the police, will they pay me for it?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[spin]

18. If they do, will it be fair market value? ...

Also if it looks like such a law would pass, how many gun owners will simply sell their firearms privately in a sale that requires no background check and make more money by doing so? If a significant percentage did this, I would imagine that many very lethal firearms would end up in criminal hands and/or smuggled into our inner cities.

Often poorly conceived legislation has nasty unintended consequences. These weapons currently pose little danger as they are in the hands of responsible owners. It might be wisest for those who wish for such a law to wait until a requirement for a background check on the sales of all firearms is passed.

[Glaug-Eldare]

21. Who cares if it kills a hundred?

If it saves one life...

[Light House]

20. In Missouri?

Won't happen. I do see a lot of Dems out of a job in the next election.

Trying to figure out the upside of this legislation.

[AtheistCrusader]

23. Impermissible.

The 2nd is incorporated against the states, and these weapons are in common use.

[Pullo]

25. +1

couldn't agree more

[ileus]

27. Another bill introduced by people that don't have any idea what they're talking about.

[guardian]

31. But But But

"nobody is trying to take away your guns"

Isn't that the refrain from the antigunner nuts?