Grabbing again: Obama bans the reimportation of old service rifles

[Pullo]

One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be reimported into the U.S. by private entities, where some may end up on the streets. The White House said the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to be reimported since 2005; under the new policy, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.

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This is a great idea, because we know most violent crimes in this country are committed with M1 rifles and such.

[bowens43]

1. anything that gets ANY gun or ammunition offf the street is a good thing.

Unless you are a member of a well regulated militia you do NOT have the RIGHT to own any type of firearm.

[Pullo]

4. Actually, I do

That is the law of the land. SCOTUS affirmed that right in Heller. Much to your chagrin I'm sure.

[hack89]

5. Haven't read Heller, I take it? nt

[beevul]

11. Of course, by "Off the street"...

Of course, by "Off the street", you mean "out of private possession", don't you.

And then theres the whole matter of your assertion that people don't have the right to own any type of firearm.


Does it keep you awake at night, that your assertion and reality are two different things?

[rl6214]

12. That horse has been beaten to death

And your side lost. Deal with it and stop posting useless tripe.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. Keep them in the 3rd world where they belong

[virginia mountainman]

23. Uhhh, Yes, i do...

I also exercise this right, problem with that?

[Lizzie Poppet]

27. You're 0-for-2. Care to try for 3?

Even if one accepts that getting "ANY gun or ammunition off the street is a good thing" is a valid assertion (dubious at best), this latest bit of inane feel-good fluff isn't likely to get any guns "off the street." It applies to firearms like WW2-era Garands and M-1 Carbines...that is to say, guns that are astronomically unlikely to be used in crime. This EO will affect gun collectors, not criminals.

In addition, your assertion about to whom the Second Amendment applies is not only contrary to constitutional law, it's contrary to basic linguistics, as well. As has been demonstrated countless times...

[GreenStormCloud]

33. That horse is very dead. You can quite beating it. N/T

[ileus]

2. All those M1 Garands

just waiting to be adopted into collectors homes everywhere...but no agenda first, collectors second.

[HooptieWagon]

3. I agree.

Rifles in general are a small percentage of gun deaths, and deaths from ex-service rifles probably near zero. Most just hang on the wall as mementos. Although sales/registration should be treated as any other firearm, there is no reason to ban them.

[wild bird]

6. These Executive Orders would only be in effect until the next President takes office, correct?

And for them to stay in effect, wouldn't the next President have to re-authorize them?

As you can tell, I'm not really up on the guns thingy.

[Jenoch]

7. Executive orders do not expire with the term of office of the president.

However, they can be rescinded by the president that follows the president that issued the executive order. In order for the EO to end, it must be rescinded. That's the research I came up with anyway.

[wild bird]

8. I got it.

Thanks for the clarification.
I'm trying to learn about the gun issue, pro and con and I find this site great for information, can you recommend any non biased websites I can peruse to learn more?

[Jenoch]

9. I do not know of a website on the gun issue that is completely objective.

If someone else knows of one, I'd sure like to get a link to it as well.

[spin]

14. The problem is in how you define completely objective. ...

At last here on DU it is possible to debate the issue.

[Jenoch]

17. I think many on the RKBA threads

are reasonable on their views on guns and gun control. The folks on that other DU forum would disagree I believe.

[Duckhunter935]

26. on most parts of DU

the safe haven of Bansalot will not allow any discussion

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

10. Welcome to DU

This group GC&RKBA (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172) and the GCRA group (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262) are the two main places for firearm discussions on DU. At this time national (non-local) firearm issues and stories are permitted in General Discussion (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1002).

Many sites tend to polarized either very much in favor or very much against various aspects of gun control/gun rights.

Hope to see more of you.

[rl6214]

13. These are executive ACTIONS, not executive orders.

[wild bird]

16. What's the difference?

And does that apply to more than the Executive Branch?

[rl6214]

21. The easiest way to explain it is

An executive action is a wish list, something he would like to be done.

Here is one definition I found:

So, basically, it's anything the President does that doesn't modify a law. Multiple officials have said this is a continuation of changes President Obama has called for in various departments throughout his presidency.



An executive order is law.

[oneshooter]

18. Sounds like that just killed the CMP.

http://odcmp.com/

[oneshooter]

20. On a higher note, it just increassed the value

of my WW1 & WW2 collection 100-200%.

[rl6214]

22. On the CMP forums

Orest, the head of the CMP said he does not think it affects them at all. They are not. Private organization AND those rifles are brought back by the army and then turned over to the CMP.

[Jenoch]

19. My question is,

how many crimes are committed annually with M-1s and with NFA weapons registered to corporations and trusts but the crimes are committed by felons attached to those entities?

[jeepnstein]

24. NFA items are rarely...

seen in crimes. Sure it's possible for someone to go on a tear with a home made or illegally imported full-auto. Or it's possible to saw off a shotgun. But legally owned and tax-stamped NFA items are just not a source for crime guns. The Obama Administration is just going for something easy that most folks don't understand.

Personally, I'd prefer he work on the economy or something.

[Jenoch]

25. I agree with you.

My question was mostly rhetorical.

A legally owned NFA full-auto gun is much too valuable to be used in a crime.

These two 'gun control' decisions by President Obama were made just for show and will not have any impact on gun crime.

[CreekDog]

28. are you calling Obama a gun grabber?

[Pullo]

29. Let's see.. He tried to ban the most popular rifles in the country(among other things) and now this

He sure is doing a fine job of making himself appear as one.

[aikoaiko]

30. I foresee part-kits and a cottage industry of US receivers.

Bring the Garands and M1 Carbines home.

[mwrguy]

31. Obama promised common sense gun control, and this is it

We do not need to flood the street with battle rifles, and we do not need criminals using shell corporations to buy silencers and machineguns.

[petronius]

32. On the contrary, the re-import ban is poor policy done for symbolism

and theater. The historical rifles it will affect are not more dangerous nor more effective than many currently available rifles, despite their military-surplus background. Equal and equivalent rifles can be bought new, and these exact same rifles can still be purchased directly from the government. Consider also that rifles are used only in a small fraction of gun-related crimes (or accidents), and these particular firearms are among the more rarely-misused in that already rarely-misused category. So there's really no reason to believe that blocking the re-import of this small set (nothing like a "flood&quot of guns has anything at all to do with public safety and crime prevention.

Analogies on this topic always end badly, but I'll essay one anyway: the idea that this re-import ban will help curb crime is like thinking that banning blue Honda hatchbacks would help curb vehicular air pollution...

[Sequoyah441]

34. These rifles battle days have come and gone

The newest rifles of this lot in 60 years old with the vast majority being manufactured in the early to mid 40's. Most have been through at least one rebuild if not more, I'd dare say the majority are way just plain worn out. These aren't the first lot to come home and of those I have a few and most are shot out but still functional and are in desperate need of re-barreling. These rifles aren't wanted for shooting purposes but for collecting purposes.
I don't disagree with the second part of your statement but it's trusts not shell corporations. To me they're hinky at best and from the folks that I know that have them is they set them up to make acquiring Class 3 easier and quicker but also xfering upon death. I wouldn't say no to everyone that's on the trust being subjected to at least a NIC check. Should some associated with that trust use something held in that trust illegally then all loose and I don't know if the punishment for the crime extends to all (beyond confiscation) or just the person that committed the crime, 10 years club fed and $100K is nothing to sneeze at.
As a side note the newest legally transferable NFA weapon is nearly 30 years old. Except for special occasions owners just do not shoot them very much because of age and impossibility of reasonable replacement. Just like antique cars they're to be petted and awed over not to be used very hard.

[oneshooter]

35. Do you even know the difference between a "battle" rifle and a "assault" rifle?

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[DonP]

36. They have no idea ... and are damn proud of it

Only gun nuts know things like that and that's why they can't be trusted with guns.

I had a host of a "forum that shall not be named" tell me he had no idea what a 4473 form was and didn't care to know anyway, but he wanted every gun sold in a gun store to have some kind of background check.

And they wonder why they can't seem to get any legislation passed?

[gejohnston]

37. criminals don't go through the legal hassle of setting up trusts

to get a machine gun. It is easier to have someone make open bolt submachine guns in clandestine factories. Just ask Australia.
BTW, the NFA doesn't have a law enforcement exemption. Meaning, the local PD is a trust. Otherwise, the gun would have to be registered to an individual officer. Same is true of museums.
BTW, even with a trust, there is still a 4473 and a NICS check with the individual picking it up.