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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:08 PM Feb 2014

Redneck States Are Borrowing a Confederate Plan to Protect Their Guns

Have you heard of "gun nullification"? It's all the rage. Seriously, so hot. It's especially popular in these Southern states who've used nullification before to tell the federales to butt the hell out of their business. Back then, nullification protected slavery and Jim Crow. Now, it protects your Smith & Wesson.

Since the time of John Calhoun in South Carolina, nullification doctrine—the fancy-bred, college-educated stepbrother of those mental deficients, the militia and sovereign citizen movements—has held that America's several states have the right to nullify federal laws that infringe on their constitutional liberties. Unless we're talking about the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendment rights of minorities in these nullificationist states, in which case their freedom is totally treading on our freedom, dude.

But no matter. Liberty-loving bears of small brain have found a five-syllable word, and it must necessarily lead to their promised land. Kansas and Alaska have already passed gun nullification laws, while Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Missouri have been pushing. Nine states, led by Montana, have passed laws asserting that gunmakers in their states are exempt from federal regulations, and so they can make all the full-auto machine guns and assault weapons they want.

The real fun comes when local politicians and law enforcement officers get in the nullification game: Nearly 250 sheriffs from Oregon to California to Arizona to Minnesota have written open letters defying federal gun laws and threatening to arrest U.S. government officials working in their jurisdictions. One rural Florida sheriff even beat prosecution last fall for releasing (and destroying evidence related to) a suspect who'd illegally held a concealed weapon.

http://gawker.com/redneck-states-are-borrowing-a-confederate-plan-to-prot-1521524656
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Redneck States Are Borrowing a Confederate Plan to Protect Their Guns (Original Post) SecularMotion Feb 2014 OP
Wasn't that settled when they raised their flag? Bonhomme Richard Feb 2014 #1
the writer is either ignorant or dishonest. gejohnston Feb 2014 #2
Maybe, but I got something of real value out of the piece: petronius Feb 2014 #3
Good point. Nullification of the Fugitive Slave Act, per your Wikipedia link: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #12
Adam Weinstein is an asshole and a bigot. An embarrassment, to be sure. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #4
I don't like anyone that has to try to classify someone like "redneck" Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #6
Exactly. His others stories are just as trashy. I wonder if he's really a teabagger in disguise. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #8
I know it's off topic but what did he say about Wendy Davis? Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #11
She supports open carry, so he slams her for that and for an abortion position. It's convoluted. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #13
Sounds like he wants to twist it to fit his agenda. Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #15
Redneck States? Straw Man Feb 2014 #5
Right! Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #7
And apparently Circuler agrees with the article, and it's racist remarks. oneshooter Feb 2014 #9
One wonders how the writer feels about nullification of Federal drug laws. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #10
I just nullified that one tonight. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #16
Calhoun was set straight by President Jackson who threatened to hang him. Kaleva Feb 2014 #14
From what I've read of Jackson, if he threatened you Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #17

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
2. the writer is either ignorant or dishonest.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:40 PM
Feb 2014

given the tone of his writing, he is both as well as uneducated.
Nullification never protected slavery, because there were no federal laws against it. In fact, it was the slave states who railed against states rights because some northern states refused to obey the fugitive slave laws, which said required local officials to actively prevent fugit. That was an example of nullification.
Using this guy's logic, Washington and Colorado are using "Confederate plans to protect their pot".

petronius

(26,602 posts)
3. Maybe, but I got something of real value out of the piece:
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:50 PM
Feb 2014

I followed the link about the Florida man being set on fire by his dog, and I learned that flea and tick spray is flammable. Which I did not know (although granted I will probably never need to know, unless my cat takes up smoking or tries to use the grill)...

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
12. Good point. Nullification of the Fugitive Slave Act, per your Wikipedia link:
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:38 PM
Feb 2014
Nullification

In 1854, the Wisconsin Supreme Court became the only state high court to declare the Fugitive Slave Act unconstitutional, as a result of a case involving fugitive slave Joshua Glover, and Sherman Booth, who led efforts that thwarted Glover's recapture. Ultimately, in 1859 in Ableman v. Booth the U.S. Supreme Court overruled the state court.[6]

In November 1850, the Vermont legislature approved the "Habeas Corpus Law," requiring Vermont judicial and law enforcement officials to assist captured fugitive slaves. This law rendered the federal Fugitive Slave Act effectively unenforceable in Vermont and caused a storm of controversy nationally because it was a "nullification" of federal law, a concept that had become highly charged in debates over slavery. The famous poet and abolitionist John Greenleaf Whittier had called for such laws and the Whittier controversy heightened angry pro-slavery reactions to the Vermont law. Virginia governor John B. Floyd warned that nullification could push the South toward secession, while President Millard Fillmore threatened to use the army to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act in Vermont. No actual events followed in Vermont, but the rhetoric of this flare-up echoed South Carolina's 1832 nullification crisis and Thomas Jefferson's 1798 Kentucky Resolutions.[7]


There's no doubt the restrictionistas' ire in regard to nullification laws is...selective
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. Adam Weinstein is an asshole and a bigot. An embarrassment, to be sure.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:57 PM
Feb 2014

I loathe self-described "voices for the progressive community" when they demonstrate their outright bigotry with headlines like this.

He's got articles shitting on Wendy Davis, too, I see.

Fuck him.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
8. Exactly. His others stories are just as trashy. I wonder if he's really a teabagger in disguise.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:14 PM
Feb 2014

Going after Wendy Davis should be a crime punishable by, well, something harsh.

Packerowner740

(676 posts)
11. I know it's off topic but what did he say about Wendy Davis?
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:33 PM
Feb 2014

I like in Texas so it impacts me and my vote.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
13. She supports open carry, so he slams her for that and for an abortion position. It's convoluted.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:41 PM
Feb 2014

Her critics' are using pretty convoluted logic to paint her as an abortion opponent, when in fact she filibustered the very legislation that they use to try to paint her as a bad person.



Because she said:

“My concern, even in the way the 20-week ban was written in this particular bill, was that it didn’t give enough deference between a woman and her doctor making this difficult decision, and instead tried to legislatively define what it was,”


They felt they could create headlines that read (Dallas News):

Wendy Davis backs 20-week abortion ban that defers to women


And Weinstein's stupid ass headline:

Wendy Davis Is Pretty Much Fine With the Abortion Ban She Filibustered


What the fuck?

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
9. And apparently Circuler agrees with the article, and it's racist remarks.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:19 PM
Feb 2014

Don't see anything that says otherwise.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
10. One wonders how the writer feels about nullification of Federal drug laws.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:32 PM
Feb 2014

I have a near-certainty that in this case, some nullification laws are more equal than others...

Kaleva

(36,309 posts)
14. Calhoun was set straight by President Jackson who threatened to hang him.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:51 PM
Feb 2014

Calhoun, who knew Jackson well as he was his former VP, took the threat seriously.

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