re: "Smart guns"

[Electric Monk]

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[font size=+1]Smart Guns, Dumb Gun Advocates[/font]

[TupperHappy]

1. When you make it state law that only "smart guns" may be sold

...as has been proposed in many states and I think actually implemented in a couple (as soon as they are available), and further when the price tag places it out of the hands of most of the public (4 figures for the gun and several hundred for the watch?), then damn straight its an infringement of my basic civil rights.

Also, pardon me for not wanting to run the risk of suffering the equivalent of Microsoft's "Blue Screen of Death" if I need to use the gun in a self defense situation and it craps out on me.

[upaloopa]

7. More fear and paranoia

The gun culture feeds on it

[Travis_0004]

11. If it such a great design, we should issue them to police first

Let them prove its reliability.

[AtheistCrusader]

13. Um, the current law in the state of New Jersey requires it once this tech is finalized.

So uh, find another excuse.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/23/us/new-jersey-smart-gun-law/index.html

[davepc]

18. Police are exempt from the law.

b. The provisions of this section shall not apply to handguns to be sold, transferred, assigned and delivered for official use to: (1) State and local law enforcement officers of this State; (2) federal law enforcement officers and any other federal officers and employees required to carry firearms in the performance of their official duties and (3) members of the Armed Forces of the United States or of the National Guard.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2002/Bills/PL02/130_.HTM

Apparently this tech isn't good enough for the cops, but should for some reason be mandatory for everybody else.

[TupperHappy]

21. Not at all, in fact

...I would also posit that the prohibitive cost on these firearms is the functional equivalent of a poll tax, esp. when coupled with state law that restricts sale of new firearms to "smart guns" once they become available.

And to be sure, any grandfathering of ownership of older firearms will not last. Like private sales at gun shows, today's exemption will become tomorrow's loophole.

[hack89]

2. I support smart guns with one major caveat

there can be no legislation like Senator Markey of Massachusetts Senate Bill S.2068

S.2068 calls for grant money, up to $2 million, for companies, individuals, and states, to research technology that would lead to the personalization of firearms. A personalized handgun, according to the bill, is a firearm which: enables only an authorized user of the handgun to fire the handgun; was manufactured in such a manner that the firing restriction described is incorporated into the design of the handgun; is not sold as an accessory; and cannot be readily removed or deactivated.

According to the bill, “Beginning on the date that is 2 years after the date of enactment of this Act, no person may manufacture in the United States a handgun that is not a personalized handgun.”

It says later that, “Beginning on the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, no person may distribute in commerce any handgun that is not a personalized handgun or a retrofitted personalized handgun.”

The law would essentially make it illegal to make or sell a gun that is not personalized, new or old.

Do you agree?

[NYC_SKP]

3. No question, there's plenty of "dumb" on both sides of the matter.

I think all of our DU 2A supporters wish the idiots who, for example, carry rifles into malls just to make a statement would just grow up or disappear entirely.

But, to be sure, gun-loving morans do not have a monopoly on idiocy.

I give you California state Senator, Kevin de León:

[stone space]

4. They could start by voicing their support for laws to that effect.

I think all of our DU 2A supporters wish the idiots who, for example, carry rifles into malls just to make a statement would just grow up or disappear entirely

[SQUEE]

6. no.

OC? It boils down to just because you CAN, doesn't mean you should. But i like the laws as they are, OC is often not just 2A, its also 1A simultaneously.


And besides I am not giving gun grabbers and shamers anything else, they have infringed enough.
So, you want open carry restrictions? Okay open the NFA laws on SBR and Suppressors up to cash and carry tax system, then I'll talk. Til then I will continue to watch most of America become more gun friendly... In a few years, I may get a complete change in the NFA laws, and over dramatic RWers will still be carrying openly.. I get what I want, you get nothing, and life will continue on its way. Just like Senator Feinsteins push for a AW ban after Sandy Hook, she over reached, and GOT NOTHING... Man, registration was there, and had support, but she had to have it all.
And now? People are dying because guns are out there, unregistered, untracked and killing because she would not compromise (If you believe what the restrictionists are advocating)

[stone space]

9. Not for the victims.

I get what I want, you get nothing, and life will continue on its way

[SQUEE]

12. And if YOU truly cared

You'd come to the table, open, honest and willing to listen to people that know a few things.
Not just blame me for your inaction, while allowing the deaths to continue.
I, and many other gun owners have offered numerous ideas, and actions that could actually stop some of those deaths.

I do a lot to teach safety, and responsibility.

What do you actually do to change things?

[NYC_SKP]

19. Support laws to make people grow up or disappear entirely?

I don't know, I'd have to read the actual legislation and see how they'd plan to enforce it!

[ileus]

5. When are folks going to learn guns are life saving devices that need to work

I sure won't risk the lives of myself or family by being a beta tester for toy junk. If not for paranoid ninnies making ignorant laws based on feelings this could actually work out. Introduce it in the 22 plinker, if 10 or 15 years the technology works then introduce it in life saving self defense big bore calibers. But no, a bunch of idiots bit on a sales pitch and made laws that make it illegal to market proper SD firearms once this test toy goes on sale. Typical short sighted dumbassedness...

They should have introduced this technology in air rifles or paint ball guns first...test it with non life saving devices first.

[Ed Suspicious]

8. "guns are life saving devices" - when will we ever learn?

[stone space]

10. Every hospital emergency room should have one. (nt)

[AtheistCrusader]

14. They do.

Most major metro hospitals have guards/police.

[ileus]

17. Our security office is on the left of triage

ER is straight back...

All the guards I know bitch because they're forced to go unarmed by hospital policy.

[oneshooter]

15. Poor EM, like Circular the cat gets his tounge and he can't even write down what

he truly believes. Just stupid cartoons. But this isn't Castle BansaLot and you allowed voice to discuss the matter at hand.

[Electric Monk]

16. It's pretty redundant to post "I thought this was an interesting piece. Anyone care to discuss it?"

I disagree with your assessment of the cartoons, but you are allowed your opinion.

[Eleanors38]

20. Those cartoons. Coulda been drawn 30+ yrs ago...

Same cultural stereotyps, then & now. But the reality of gun politics has changed since the time of big-butted PC monitors. Oh, well, the old-school newspaper cartoonists have to get their royalties from someone -- even if it's the NRA.

[NYC_SKP]

22. Question: If NRA wants nothing more than to sell guns, then why are they trying to stop this one?

I'd like to see the OP answer this question.

It might just be because states might get the idea that ALL guns must be smart and all ordinary guns must be collected.

Anyone who says it can't happened doesn't follow the news, especially in California and New York.

[MicaelS]

24. Go ahead and make them.

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See how many you sell. Since we're constantly told it's only a small minority of "gun nuts" buying all the guns in the US, if they don't sell, then I guess we "gun nuts" don't want them. In other words we would "choose" not to own them. Of course, that isn't the real agenda here. The real agenda is that Gun Prohibitionists want to eventually make ONLY Smart Guns being available for sale, and all older guns would either have to be retrofitted, or turned in to authorities, or rendered inert or destroyed. And since presumably one of the added "benefits" would be some sort of tracking chip, you could track the movements of all guns, and the people who own them.

As the old saying goes "Don't piss down my back, and tell me it's raining."

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

25. Somehow....

....the smart gun will prompt the creation of new phrases like, "...wrist thing that goes bloop...".

[SummerSnow]

26. Gun nuts hate anything smart.And so the story goes.

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. Discerning gun owners reject unreliable technology. And so the story goes

[clffrdjk]

28. So why should I buy this gun?

And if you don't want me to buy why do you care if I don't like the gun?

[The Green Manalishi]

29. The current law, its implementation and implications, are pretty stupid... however

If the tech was reliable and affordable, I'd get rid of my handguns and get one.

I rather like the idea that if my guns were stolen they could not be used at all. Now my guns are all in a safe that is in a locked closet that would be a bitch to get into, and that closet is protected by an actively monitored burglar alarm, but still, I like guns, I like shooting, I like having some protection in case of a SHTF scenario where civil order falls apart for days or weeks. I don't like the idea of *ANYONE* having a gun who shouldn't (meaning, IMHO, background checked, competent on operation and safety and keeping it secured, and this would include any and all burglars of course).