One mom takes aim at gun violence

[SecularMotion]

We can do better.

Better than 82 people shot in one city in 84 hours. Better than a father losing two of his children, a year apart, to gun violence. Better than a shooting per week on school grounds across the country since the Sandy Hook Elementary School murders in December 2012.

We have to do better.

"The gun lobby has done a very good job over the past three decades making a vocal minority fear their guns will be taken away," says Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action For Gun Sense in America.

"We fear our children will be taken away."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/ct-fight-gun-violence-balancing-20140710,0,1298177.column

[Duckhunter935]

1. and your comments are?

Monsanto mom who is a PR executive for the billionaire Bloomberg's group pushing some PR. There are already existing federal laws in place if they were just fully enforced.

As a host of the other gun group that strictly enforces their SOP to the point of censorship, it would be nice of you to follow the SOP here. I am sure you are again going to ignore this polite request and run away and hide.

[ileus]

2. If she was really afraid she'd take steps to protect her children...

In stead she blabs about the myth of gun companies selling fear. Someone needs to pull the plank from their eye...

[hack89]

3. So illegal guns are streaming into Chicago across state borders in violation of federal law

and her solution is to make more illegal? I think I see her problem.

How about a crack down on gangs. Lets strengthen the penalties for illegal gun use and start enforcing them.

[jeepnstein]

4. Who bankrolls her crusade?

Follow the money.

Anyone who was really concerned about gun violence in Chicago would be taking steps to avoid the gangs and drug lifestyles that are at the heart of the violence. Since buying and selling illegal street drugs is an industry with no access to the court system, business disputes are handled in a more direct fashion. No different than when Capone was selling bootleg booze during Prohibition. But that doesn't suit the current narrative that seeks to blame lawful citizens going about their daily lives for the reckless actions of a very small segment of society that observes no laws.

[NYC_SKP]

5. The gun control lobby has done a very good job perpetuating fear where there's no founding evidence

And Sharon Watts happens to be a mom, which doesn't require a heart, or a soul, or much of a brain.

I'm thinking after her work with Monsanto and other big players, she's not hurting for cash.

Being a mom doesn't grant any special status to a woman unless there's some magnificent parenting going on.

The same is true for dads.

What worked for MADD, they'll admit, might work for gun control, except that MADD targeted the USER, not the vehicle.

Exploiting motherhood is, IMO, just despicable.

[SecularMotion]

6. Keep up the good work, Skippy

Your insults and smears should stop that mean woman from taking your guns away.

[IronGate]

7. That mean woman is nothing more than a creation of Bloomberg and his money.

If not for Bloomberg's money, she wouldn't even be on the radar.

[NYC_SKP]

9. I must have struck a nerve. Was it the comparison to MADD?

And how they targeted the driver, not the car?



I've said nothing about her that's a smear or an insult that she didn't earn.

Working for Monsanto, in her capacity, was a choice.

Not very progressive, she earned it and she needs to own it.

[blueridge3210]

21. Any comments on the subject at hand?

Or are insults towards other posters all you have to contribute?

[IronGate]

22. Pretty much insults and spamming seems to be all he's got. nt.

[flamin lib]

8. This whole thing about not meeting SOP is bullshit.

If someone makes a post that is thought provoking and starts a discussion they have met the SOP whether they comment on the OP or not.

Get the fuck over it.

[Jenoch]

10. "...starts a discussion..."

Thank you for making the point even better and for agreeing with Duck Hunter et al.

[flamin lib]

13. I don't agree with Ducky, on almost anything.

"start" does not mean continue or add to. It means START, as in BEGIN. Don't like that change the SOP to require participation in the discussion.

I repeat, the charge of SOP violation is bullshit. Get the fuck over it.

[Jenoch]

15. "Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense,

SM is in violation of the SOP on every thread he/she/it starts but does not discuss in this group. Any subsequent post is not discussing the OP in which he/she/it started, they are only insults to other DUers.

[flamin lib]

16. There is always a discussion. Whether SecMo takes place or not.

And if you feel insulted by something so benign that sorta' lumps you into the delicate flower group.

[Jenoch]

18. Drive by posting does not a discussion make. Flowers are irrelevant.

[Duckhunter935]

28. the name calling says a lot about you

for your information that insult has been superseded by several others now.

[flamin lib]

30. Let me put this at a level you can relate to.

I'm rubber you're glue, it bounces off me and sticks to you. Nana Nana booboo.

This whole thread has been nothing but whining and crying.

You've got a gun, show the maturity it takes to have that right.

[Duckhunter935]

34. proves my point again

I see you have nothing to contribute. Have an awesome day.

[IronGate]

35. LOL,

you just proved his point.
Good job.

[IronGate]

11. Maybe,

but it would be appropriate if the OP would participate in their own thread instead of posting and running away as this poster frequently does.
And, just for the record, his threads are hardly thought provoking.

[flamin lib]

12. They never fail to get responses which translates to discussion

even if the OP doesn't choose to take part. Shit, SecMo knows what he thinks. What he wants to know is what you guys think.

I make OPs here, in GD, C&B, photography and occasionally other places in DU without comment. No body bitches at me.

You guys are such delicate flowers . . .

[IronGate]

14. There it is, the "delicate flowers" insult.

Just couldn't resist could you?
We're done.

[Eleanors38]

17. Let's see if we can work 'em all in...

My Gun's Humping a Delicate Flower, when she reaches for her Revulva, saying: "You're nothing but an Ammosexual in need of an Extension."

[sarisataka]

20. Revulva-

Better trademark that before it gets to GD

[Eleanors38]

23. Revulva™. Double Action Revulva™. Single Action Revulva™.

That ought to slow down the patent thieves.

[Duckhunter935]

29. forgot the penis reference even it it does not

apply in your case.

[Eleanors38]

31. Well, you would bring it up. My humper ain't to Buntline.

[Starboard Tack]

38. This isn't Photography or GD. It's the Gungeon

OP's here should have some comment, or at least some response to the responses. SecMo has an awful habit of doing this, both here and in Religion. He drives by, posts, and disappears. Many of his OP's are good and most are good fuel for debate, yet he never engages in the debate, which is sad. This is why so many dismiss him out of hand.
Regardless of one's position on something, one only gains respect through participation in the conversation, not by pasting quotes from the web.

[beevul]

19. Is it?

Since saying that exact sentence "This whole thing about not meeting SOP is bullshit" in the other forum would be quite enough to cause one to be blocked, I don't think its bullshit at all.

[Eleanors38]

24. Do you really think that?

[Duckhunter935]

25. "starts a discussion"

that is not part of the SOP and words have meaning, you do not get to change the SOP.

Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.

discuss

: to talk about (something) with another person or group

: to give information, ideas, opinions, etc., about (something) in writing or speech

Since SM in hundreds of posts has failed to discuss on the topic he does a Google cut and paste on he is in fact violating the SOP. It is more like spam to bait people in this group to get a hide and he, she or it is failing miserably.

[flamin lib]

26. What bothers you so much?

I've posted here with no further comment and nobody objected. I've done the same in numerous other forums/groups and nobody complained, only here does anyone bitch.

Why is that? Why is this group so obsessed with one DUer?

SecMo posts and there is a discussion. Seems to meet SOP to me. He posts, you guys post responses, ergo discussion.

Still I wonder what is the facination? My feelings are hurt because I've done exactly what SecMo does and nobody cries over it. Is there no love for me?

I think perhaps you need the SOP thing so you don't have to deal with those posts.

[Duckhunter935]

27. you have posted in this group 8 times

and at least you have entered a discussion in every one I checked even if you did not in the original post. You start posting in excess of 500 post like SM and stop discussing within those posts you might get treated the same way and then you can be happy. Just try a little harder.

Secular has hundreds of posts in this group without comment or discussion in the post with other members.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=22&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=23&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=24&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=25&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=26&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=27&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=28&sort=author

SM is a host and strictly enforces his SOP in the group he hosts to prevent anyone that they do not like over there. I have nothing against SM except the outright hypocrisy he is doing by posting here and not adhering to the SOP while strictly enforcing his SOP. I give our host here credit for allowing all viewpoints and basically not blocking anyone unlike that other group. A host should be held up to a very high standard and the polite thing to do is follow the group SOP he, she or it is posting in..

This group has two blocks and one has decided to leave DU on his own.

Number Blocked members
1 Hoyt
2 rdharma

now for the group SM hosts

Number Blocked members
1 hack89
2 Eleanors38
3 Crepuscular
4 Bay Boy
5 ManiacJoe
6 bossy22
7 Straw Man
8 oneshooter
9 Duckhunter935
10 friendly_iconoclast
11 rrneck
12 customerserviceguy
13 ProgressiveProfessor
14 sarisataka
15 appal_jack
16 Travis_0004
17 geckosfeet
18 Hangingon
19 NYC_SKP
20 Jenoch
21 spin
22 shedevil69taz
23 SoutherDem
24 Lurks Often
25 ileus
26 Recursion
27 SQUEE
28 MO_Moderate
29 S_B_Jackson
30 HALO141
31 Jgarrick
32 Valakut
33 arst1
34 Nuclear Unicorn
35 TupperHappy
36 pipoman
37 yeoman6987
38 Laelth
39 IronGate

[flamin lib]

32. Just goes to show gunners are more prone to being assholes. How many of those

Have been tombstoned?

[Duckhunter935]

33. I see two that have permanently banned

sounds like anti-gun people are afraid of a discussion and have to run and hide

[IronGate]

36. Gunners are more prone to being assholes?

[Starboard Tack]

39. There is a certain amount of truth to that.

"More prone" being the operative phrase. Though I'm not too sure about the definition of the word "gunner". If it means gun owner, then NO, they are not prone to being asshole any more than anyone else. 2A absolutists, then I'd say YES, definitely prone, as all absolutists tend to be assholes.

[IronGate]

41. I can agree with your comment. nt.

[hack89]

37. Or controllers are more authoritarian. Nt

[Jenoch]

40. One mom my ass.