How The National Rifle Association Misappropriates The Holocaust

[SecularMotion]

The National Rifle Association has once again drawn condemnation from a Jewish group after one of its lobbyists invoked the Holocaust to attack a Washington state ballot initiative to expand background checks on gun sales. Despite regular denunciations from Jewish groups for misappropriating the history of Holocaust, the NRA routinely uses this type of rhetoric to demonize its opponents and gun legislation it dislikes.

According to a report in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, recently released audio captured NRA lobbyist Brian Judy attacking Seattle businessman Nick Hanauer's support of Initiative 594 -- which would expand background checks in Washington -- because of Hanauer's Jewish background. Calling Hanauer "stupid," Judy argued that "he's put half-a-million dollars toward this policy, the same policy that led to his family getting run out of Germany by the Nazis."

Judy went on to mock the intelligence of anyone who is "anti-gun" and Jewish:

JUDY: You know, it's staggering to me, it's just, you can't make this stuff up. That these people, it's like any Jewish people I meet who are anti-gun, I think: Are you serious? Do you not remember what happened?

And why did that happen? Because they registered guns and then they took them. And now you're supporting gun control -- you come to this country and you support gun control. Why did you have to flee to this country in the first place? Hello. Is anybody home here?


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/30/how-the-national-rifle-association-misappropria/200253

[Al Carroll]

1. Weimar Germany did gun control, not the Nazis

The Nazis loosened gun control. Jews in Nazi Germany had 180,000 guns, according to the ADL.

[jimmy the one]

2. nuremburg laws 1935

al carroll: Weimar Germany did gun control, not the Nazis
The Nazis loosened gun control. Jews in Nazi Germany had 180,000 guns, according to the ADL.

Actually both Weimar & Hitler enacted gun control (28 & 38 iirc), & yes hitler loosened gun control for GERMANS, but aren't you forgetting about those Nuremburg laws which deprived jewish of many rights?
Nuremburg laws ~1935, while not banning most jewish from owning guns, did restrict them from having them in other ways.

The above 180,000 gunstock figure I will tentatively take as pre war circa 1938-39, where there were approx 400,000 jewish living in Nazi Germany. As if that would've stopped hitler; an unorganized untrained mob half or more in berlin a Nazi gestapo stronghold. No, a 'berlin uprising' would've been stifled quicker than the one in warsaw, tho maybe with a few more Nazi casualties, but not many jewish fathers would've even contemplated taking arms against the Nazis due brutal death reprisals to their families.

[jimmy the one]

3. what jewish really think on gun control

Despite regular denunciations from Jewish groups for misappropriating the history of Holocaust, the NRA routinely uses this type of rhetoric to demonize its opponents and gun legislation it dislikes

Not surprised, why should Jewish be any different from other pro gun control sects?

Americans in general may be divided about gun control, but Jewish Americans are not. They have always been among the most enthusiastic advocates of legislation that will regulate gun ownership in a reasonable way.
An article from The Forward notes that the Jewish community has taken the lead in gun control and that part of it is hostility toward the gun culture of White America that is especially apparent in rural White America. Jews “instinctively recoil” from this culture (“After Newtown Jews lead renewed push on guns“).
Jewish organizations pride themselves on gun control stances that date back to the early days of the debate, following the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. and of President Kennedy. Most played a supportive role in passing legislation then limiting access to weapons, and have since reaffirmed their commitment to reducing the availability of guns.
One reason for broad Jewish support of gun control has to do with the community’s sense of security, “which perhaps leads us to feel that the possession of assault weapons is completely unneeded.”
Rabbi Eric Yoffie listed several reasons for Jews siding with supporters of gun control: the community’s affiliation with the Democratic Party; the fact that Jews are urban people and detached from the culture of hunting or gun ownership, and suspicion toward the NRA, which is “associated in the minds of many Jews with extremist positions that frighten Jews and from which they instinctively recoil.” http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/01/jews-and-jewish-organizations-lead-the-gun-control-campaign/

Of course, they have an internal radical splinter group, which uses the very same holocaust argument the nra does:

wiki: Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) is a group dedicated to the preservation of gun rights in the US and "to encourage Americans to understand and defend all of the Bill of Rights for everyone". The group was founded in 1989. The JPFO interprets the Second Amendment as recognizing a pre-existing natural right of individuals to keep and bear arms.
.. The organization is noted for producing materials (bumper stickers, posters, billboards, booklets, videos, etc.) with messages that equate gun control with totalitarianism. The most famous of these are the "All in favor of Gun Control raise your right hand" materials, which features a drawing of Hitler giving a Nazi salute. The organization also attempts to prove that genocide is linked to gun control, by showing that most countries where a genocide has taken place had gun control first.
Members do not have to be Jewish. The only membership requirement is that you be a "law abiding citizen," by "obeying the Bill of Rights

[SQUEE]

4. Wow, more bigotry Groucho?

Because all of us Yids live in the Burroughs and Boca right? My family have been exclusively suburban and rural since they left Europe. We also have a martial history going back centuries, We hunt, shoot, climb and hike. Are STRONG proponents of self defense and responsible ownership and training.

Your describing us as a sect is further proof of the accepted bigotry and antisemitism that demands that me and mine be trained, armed and prepared.
Never again is a warning, for us but for others as well.

"Of course, they have an internal radical splinter group, which uses the very same holocaust argument the nra does:"
I am a proud and active member of JPFO, and we are more than a splinter group, only radical to those that are more comfortable seeing us as victims and scapegoats.

[NYC_SKP]

5. OMG, and your horrible group lets just anyone be a member???

Of course, I'm on your side on this.

Odd of the member to suggest that inclusion by JPFO of other faiths is somehow shocking or noteworthy.

Or maybe not so odd.

[SQUEE]

6. Yah we tried to vote it down

but of course those inclusivist New Yawk jooz had to be all liberal and let the Goyim in.

[SecularMotion]

7. Oops, looks like your Jewish gun club just went bankrupt

Some members of Jewish gun group facing financial trouble oppose SAF merger

A former staffer of the group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership leaked Aug. 15 that the group will merge with the Second Amendment Foundation, and while it may settle some financial woes, not all are happy about the move.

The leak came from Claire Wolfe, a contractor to JPFO who resigned her position in opposition to the planned merger with the much larger SAF, which boasts some 650,000 members.

The late Aaron Zelman founded JPFO in 1989 and like SAF, it’s a non-profit tax-exempt 501(c)(3) educational civil-rights organization. Although the Jewish faith is an eponymous part of the group, it has always welcomed members of all religions. According to the group’s website, “You don’t have to be Jewish to join JPFO; you just have to love freedom.”

Wolfe went out in a blaze of glory, posting a tribute to Zelman on her way out the door Thursday in which she proudly called the late founder, “a great man, and an uncompromising bastard.”

http://www.guns.com/2014/08/25/proposed-merger-of-2-gun-rights-groups-leaked-causes-controversy/

[NYC_SKP]

8. Oh well. What counts is that the people, Jews and others, and their weapons, are still with us.

.

Don't expect any changes in that anytime soon.

"Uncompromising Bastard"... I kind of like that handle!

[SQUEE]

9. Open to all, was actually something we took pride in.

YOU of course, don't get it.. But then you never will.... Sad to be so blind by all that hate and guilt. Good to see your grave dancing is so diverse.

I was a little down about it, but the fact they irked you enough to put on your nicest party clothes, well we were doing God's work surely. I also take special glee that you commented to little ol' jewish me... odd how often you do, as opposed to our less... Semitic friends around here.. wonder why that is ?

[SecularMotion]

10. Oh don't worry, I get it.

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It was just another front group to make it appear that anyone besides old white right wing christian males support gun rights.

Liberal Gun Owners - You don't really need to be liberal

Pink Pistols - You don't really need to be gay.

[SQUEE]

11. .. you are a giggle

toddle off now I have laughed enough.

[SecularMotion]

12. Thanks for the kick

[meathead]

15. Pink Pistols - LGBT

Hence you don't have to be female..lol

[SecularMotion]

17. Thanks for the correction

I always figured they were a fake gun group for women gun owners. I didn't realize they are a fake gun group for gays.

Why "Pink Pistols" and not "Rainbow Pistols"?

[meathead]

18. The Nazi's made homosexuals wear pink triangle in a manor akin to jewish star...

They are pro-gun in a NRA / civil-rights mash-up. Fake? I'm not a member, but they didn't look like mannequins on the local news.

[SecularMotion]

19. Fake as in "not really a gay organization for gun rights"

Do I need to be gay to join?

You don't have to be gay to join us, any more than you have to be Black to support civil rights, or be Jewish to support the JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership). We include members from the GLBT, Polyamarous, and BDSM communities, but you don't need to be gay or have an alternative sexuality to join and shoot with us. We like to say that we are FOR the sexual minority community, but not exclusively OF it. We welcome anybody.

http://www.pinkpistols.org/?q=node/4

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. Then the NAACP and Human Rights Camapign are also "fake"...

...as they have similar standards and welcome allies.

I used to think posts like your #19 here were annoying. Now I just find them
sad and desperate...

[jimmy the one]

13. more bigotry is from jpfo

thanks for update, sec mo: former staffer of {JPFO} Jews for Preservation of Firearms Ownership leaked {JPFO} will merge with Second Amendment Foundation..

squee, replying to me in earlier post: Wow, more bigotry Groucho?

I think jpfo member & rabbi bendory would better fit that description; not only calling liberal jews who support gun control 'disgraceful', but labeling the BATF agency as rogue & corrupt, same as what wayne lapierre essentially did. Here's his sickening tirade:

squee: Your describing us as a sect is further proof of the accepted bigotry and antisemitism that demands that me and mine be trained, armed and prepared.

Oh vomit; I'm anti semetic, you play that card? I didn't call jpfo a sect, I labeled jewish gun control movement a sect, tho I don't understand the perjorative insult you imply. The only pejorative in my post was calling armed jewish in Nazi Germany an untrained unorganized mob, which is pretty well true when compared to the gestapo/RD.
'sect' alt defs: A faction united by common interests or beliefs .. a dissenting clique (ha)

So I suppose you support bendory? who is indeed a radical, demagogue, sophist, & truth bender. Is it you too? Ha, Bendory actually supports my contentions above, is he in my alleged anti semetic category? Read what your cohort says about the predominance of his fellow jewish who support gun control, & tell me again who is bigoted:

by JPFO's Rabbi Dovid Bendory Rabbinic Director: It’s no secret that one of the largest blocs of people pressing for so-called “gun control” is the culturally (aka not-so-religious) American Jewish community.
In reaction to the Holocaust, American Jews adopted the phrase “Never Again!”... How do Jews expect to put teeth behind the words “Never Again!” if not with the ability to apply and project personal force when righteous -- and necessary -- for survival?
Why then do so many American Jews hate guns and fear gun ownership so much?
Our research identifies ten reasons why these Jews feel the way they do...

The adamantly anti-gun-rights Jews are bowing to:
1. A desire for utopian moral purity 2. A disproportional incidence of hoplophobia
3. A quest for power through victimization of peers 4. A utopian delusion that if guns would just “go away,”crime would end and the world would be a peaceful safe place
5. Self hatred and a wish to be helpless, acting out guilt-based behavioral problems
6. The Ostrich Syndrome 7. Garden-variety hypocrisy
8. Adulterated religion -- Jews In Name Only (JINOs) 9. Feel-good sophistry
10. Abject fear that yields irrational behavior
in part: http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/who-will-save-the-jews-the-next-time/

[Starboard Tack]

16. Yep! It's all the fault of the "liberal Jews"!

jpfo Whackos!
Registration leads to knowing who owns the guns. Duh! That's the whole point, so if your gun is used for bad shit, they know where to go. Just like if you run someone down with your car. And yes, if guns are outlawed at some time in the future, they'll know where to go then too. That's how it works. What a fucking idiot this rabbi is. Of course, he is blaming those "not so religious" secular Jews for wanting a safer society. Nothing like peddling fear.

Does this guy have a fucking clue? Does he think a couple of thousand Orthodox Jews are going to defeat the real gun nuts? The RW libertarian Ted Nugent wingnuts, the KKK, the Aryan Nation are all armed to the teeth because people like him and apathetic Democrats either support it or allow it.

Wake the fuck up America!

[jimmy the one]

24. when jewish does not really mean jewish

nyc skip: jpfo Whackos! Odd of the member {being jimmy the one} to suggest that inclusion by JPFO of other faiths is somehow shocking or noteworthy.

Yeah, how could I've been thinking it was noteworthy? Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership, allowing non jewish to join, how shocked did you get?
Silly me, there all along I originally thought it meant 'jews' for the preservation of firearm ownership.
>> Jewish gun club meeting Saturday. Neo-nazis, former kkk members welcome as long as you believe in freedom!

stbd tack: What a f-----g idiot this rabbi is. Of course, he is blaming those "not so religious" secular Jews for wanting a safer society. Nothing like peddling fear. Does this guy have a fucking clue? Does he think a couple of thousand Orthodox Jews are going to defeat the real gun nuts? The RW libertarian Ted Nugent wingnuts, the KKK, the Aryan Nation are all armed to the teeth because people like him and apathetic Democrats either support it or allow it.

Concur close enough.

[jimmy the one]

14. historically innaccurate & offensive - JADL

I wrote: {Jewish} have an internal radical splinter group, which uses the very same holocaust argument the nra does:"
squee replied: I am a proud and active member of JPFO, and we are more than a splinter group, only radical to those that are more comfortable seeing us as victims and scapegoats.

Have you seen this from your ADL?:
.... jan 2013: The Anti-Defamation League called on conservatives to keep Nazi analogies out of the gun control debate.
"The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to {WWII} is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, ADL’s national director.. The statement cited the proliferation of such arguments among gun control opponents in the wake of calls for greater gun controls after {newtown}.
Drudge Report headlined the White House’s announcement of such proposals with mug shots of Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin and an array of conservative pundits have claimed that the Holocaust would not have been inevitable had Jews been able to bear arms.
The instances in which Jews managed to obtain arms, as they did in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943, were symbolically important but would not have headed off the Nazi machine, the ADL said.
"Gun control did not cause the Holocaust, Nazism and anti-Semitism did
http://www.jta.org/2013/01/25/news-opinion/united-states/adl-calls-on-conservatives-to-keep-nazi-analogies-out-of-gun-debate#ixzz3BbP3jvMM

or this from pro gun website 'guncite'?: The Myth of Nazi Gun Control The Third Reich did not need gun control (in 1938 or at any time thereafter) to maintain their power... supposing the existance of an armed resistance also requires the acceptance that the German people would have rallied to the rebellion. This argument requires a total suspension of disbelief given everything we know about 1930s Germany

Believe your jpfo 2nd amendment mythology if you wish, but your anti defamation league apparently doesn't.

[SQUEE]

22. Whoa.. MY ADL

As in mine, i own it or as a JEW we started it? or.. what? I am certain it is not in any way tied to the Jewish people as an entity or policy of religion or culture..

And you wonder why I think you and others like you are Antisemitic. I don't need the ADL to find boogeymen for me to fear, i can come here on this very website and find people that hate me and blame my culture and people for the ills of the world.

[jimmy the one]

23. apples don't fall far from the tree

I wrote: Have you seen this from your ADL?:
SQUEE replied: Whoa.. MY ADL ..... As in mine, i own it or as a JEW we started it? or.. what? I am certain it is not in any way tied to the Jewish people as an entity or policy of religion or culture ..

You don't understand the figure of speech in using 'your' when referring to something another is attached to? I am not jewish & you stated you were, there is no slight in phrasing 'your adl' to connote connection except in a mind intent on fomenting disruption.
You say you are 'certain' that ADL is not in 'any way tied to the Jewish people as an entity or policy of religion or culture'..

wiki: The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) is an international Jewish non-governmental organization based in {US}. Describing itself as "the nation's premier civil rights/human relations agency", ADL states that it "fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all," doing so through "information, education, legislation, and advocacy." Founded 1913.. its original mission statement was "to stop, by appeals to reason and conscience and, if necessary, by appeals to law, the defamation of the Jewish people. Its ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens.".. ADL has 29 offices in {US} and 3 in other countries...

I suspect this is why squee wants to distance himself from ADL:
Conflict with Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership ... ADL is an advocate for gun control legislation. The ADL supported {DC} before the US Supreme Court in Heller ... The League urged the Court to ensure that states retain the ability to keep guns out of the hands of "violent bigots." Gun rights group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) has been highly critical of the Anti-Defamation League. In pamphlets such as "Why Does the ADL Support Nazi-Based Laws?" and "JPFO Facts vs. ADL Lies," the JPFO has accused the ADL of undermining the welfare of the Jewish people by promoting gun control. In a 2007 handbill JPFO accused Director Abraham Foxman of knowingly supporting the "use of Nazi gun control laws in America." Foxman has written about JPFO: "Anti-Semitism has a long and painful history, and the linkage to gun control is a tactic by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership to manipulate the fear of anti-Semitism toward their own end.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League

I think the Jewish Anti Defamation League a dedicated organization with commendable principles, & for JPFO to fabricate & manipulate hitlerian propaganda against ADL is deplorable. JPFO support amongst jewish pales in comparison to jewish support & respect for ADL.

.... jan 2013: The Anti-Defamation League called on conservatives to keep Nazi analogies out of the gun control debate.
"The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to {WWII} is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families," Abraham Foxman, ADL’s national director..

squee, to secmo, similar to me: YOU of course, don't get it.. But then you never will.... Sad to be so blind by all that hate and guilt. Good to see your grave dancing is so diverse. ... the fact they irked you enough to put on your nicest party clothes, well we were doing God's work surely. I also take special glee that you commented to little ol' jewish me... odd how often you do, as opposed to our less... Semitic friends around here.. wonder why that is?

You're an agent provocateur playing anti semite card, trying to portray gun control advocates here as being anti semitic, similar to what JPFO did against ADL. Apples don't fall far from the tree, & squee lands near biased 'rabbi' ben Dory, an egotistical pro gun bigot.