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otohara

(24,135 posts)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:45 PM Oct 2014

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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) otohara Oct 2014 OP
This looks like a James O'Keefe style stunt. Or maybe Mike Bloomberg and his group. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1
The dregs of humanity shenmue Oct 2014 #2
People should behave better. Deer season opens Saturday! Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #3
given MDA's and Bloomberg's record of dishonesty gejohnston Oct 2014 #4
You Say Dishonesty otohara Oct 2014 #9
And just how, pray tell, do those recently passed gun control laws keep people alive? GGJohn Oct 2014 #10
Cops Love Guns otohara Oct 2014 #11
I'm not standing up for anyone, GGJohn Oct 2014 #13
Fuck Those Sheriffs otohara Oct 2014 #17
Instead of throwing around 60's slogan's, GGJohn Oct 2014 #18
Crime Is Down in CO by 11% otohara Oct 2014 #19
Which has NOTHING to do with the mag limit law. GGJohn Oct 2014 #20
Nada, None, Zip, Zap, Zero otohara Oct 2014 #21
Thank you for finally admitting that the mag limit law is ineffective and GGJohn Oct 2014 #22
Then We're Fucked otohara Oct 2014 #23
my last post of the year gejohnston Oct 2014 #24
30,000 is very misleading michaelhr Nov 2014 #28
How do you feel about the vitriol leveled against "Hobby Lobby" Fisher? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #5
Welcome to the internet Lurks Often Oct 2014 #6
You Want Me To Shut Up? otohara Oct 2014 #7
Do we want you to shut up? GGJohn Oct 2014 #8
I don't want you to shut up Lurks Often Oct 2014 #12
Thats rich. beevul Oct 2014 #14
"Have at it boys, I know how you like to mock my moms.".... NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #15
Whole lot of stupid in that thread. GGJohn Oct 2014 #16
The OP took off after their hypocrisy was pointed out. How *very* unsurprising... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #25
for the record on blocks Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #27
"DU gun owners talk SHIT about me" Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #26
Was there something in the Salon article you wanted to discuss? ManiacJoe Nov 2014 #29
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. This looks like a James O'Keefe style stunt. Or maybe Mike Bloomberg and his group.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:52 PM
Oct 2014

It's so easy to do in the Internet, to post false attacks against your own movement and they cry foul.

Pretty disgusting behavior regardless of the perpetrator.

I don't think it's particularly worthy of discussion.

shenmue

(38,501 posts)
2. The dregs of humanity
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:53 PM
Oct 2014

Wonder how they would manage to live in countries like England, Canada or Japan, where not only are the laws much more comprehensive, but the people are known for being friendly and decent. There goes the notion that an armed society is a polite society.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
3. People should behave better. Deer season opens Saturday!
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:20 AM
Oct 2014

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
4. given MDA's and Bloomberg's record of dishonesty
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:58 AM
Oct 2014

I frankly doubt they are real any more than I believe the people open carrying rifles in random Krogers are real. Disinformation, planting stories, smearing opponents have been used by propagandists since before the pyramids. I'm sure Shannon Watts used learned and use those same techniques while working at Monsanto.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
9. You Say Dishonesty
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:15 PM
Oct 2014

but nothing about the 30,000 who die each and every year by guns.

I may have allergies because of Monsanto, but my neighbors 9 year old never will. He's six feet under at the hands of his
father, a responsible gun owner until he was 60.

Speaking of Monsanto, here in CO we're fighting to expose GMO's. Spent two hours on the phone listening to sponsors of the bill and the many questions and comments from callers. It was very informative - can't say that about guns, because the NRA and their talking points get repeated over and over and over, while people like me get shouted down and even threatened online, even on so called Democratic sites, like DU.

Seems Colorado cares more about keeping people alive and healthy and many people are furious about that.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
10. And just how, pray tell, do those recently passed gun control laws keep people alive?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:18 PM
Oct 2014

Even the majority of the Sheriff's in CO. are refusing to enforce the mag. limit because they know it's virtually unenforceable.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
11. Cops Love Guns
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:24 PM
Oct 2014

and hate the government they work for, unless the POTUS is a Republican. Can't believe after all the cop gun violence you're standing up for the very organization who thinks they can shoot who ever they damn well please.

Cops like to shoot first and know only Republicans will back up their shoot first policies.

You want mags, go to Wyoming and blaze away.
You want some excellent organic weed, come to Colorado.


GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
13. I'm not standing up for anyone,
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:22 PM
Oct 2014

I asked you how these new laws are keeping people alive?
How would that mag limit law be enforceable?
The reason the Sheriff's don't enforce those laws has ZERO to do with who is president, it has every thing to do with it not being enforceable.

I don't have to go to WY to get mags, my state has the good sense not to pass such do nothing laws and, I don't smoke weed or do any drugs except those prescribed by my Dr., but I have no truck with those that choose to do so.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
17. Fuck Those Sheriffs
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:48 PM
Oct 2014

Fucking pigs care more about guns than people.

They've got enough military equipment to blow us away.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
18. Instead of throwing around 60's slogan's,
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:57 PM
Oct 2014

how about answering my question.
Here, I'll frame it again, how many people has the mag limit law saved to date?

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
19. Crime Is Down in CO by 11%
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:16 PM
Oct 2014

and why on earth should I respect the cops who continue to kill innocent unarmed people.

The military cops of today are scary, corrupt, liars, and gun nuts. You know they hate us too, call us scumbags,
dirtbags, garbage.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
20. Which has NOTHING to do with the mag limit law.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:34 PM
Oct 2014

Crime is down because of the new MJ law I would hazard a guess.
But you still evade the question, how many people have been saved because of the mag limit law?

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
21. Nada, None, Zip, Zap, Zero
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:51 PM
Oct 2014

Because gun nuts who are bent on owning the most dangerous guns and the clips that make all the murder and mayhem happen, then I'm pretty sure they'll find a way even if it's illegally.

Colorado made it just a teeney weeney bit harder for folks to obtain uber-clips here and a whole lot easier to buy quality marijuana without the cartel.

How many people were shot at Aurora, 72 I think. Isn't one of the survivors paralyzed?
How many parents do you think miss their dead by gun children?






GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
22. Thank you for finally admitting that the mag limit law is ineffective and
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:59 PM
Oct 2014

has had a detrimental effect on Dems chances of keeping the governorship.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
23. Then We're Fucked
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:08 PM
Oct 2014

and guns are the reason.

I will continue to worry about my safety and especially my son who works for touring band. They spend a lot of time in states where guns are everywhere.

What a stupid uncivilized country, the world watches in horror
Shameful and embarassing

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
24. my last post of the year
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:37 PM
Oct 2014
but nothing about the 30,000 who die each and every year by guns.
In 2011 there were 16,238 homicides in the US, 11K with firearms. Most of those are concentrated in a few areas of major cities because of the drug war. 77 percent of the murder victims are men 90 percent of that 77 are shot. Not true with women. 17 percent of female murder victims are shot. There were 40,600 suicides, 52 percent by firearm. If there were no guns, there would still be 40,600 suicides, just no gun suicides. I care about all 52K of them. To me, they are all tragic and equally unfortunate. To people like Bloomberg, those shot are bloody shirts to wave in front of cameras for his own political power and culture war. The rest are statistics. I have no interest in power or culture war. In fact, I detest culture warriors, especially when they declare war on mine.

I may have allergies because of Monsanto, but my neighbors 9 year old never will. He's six feet under at the hands of his
father, a responsible gun owner until he was 60.
It doesn't sound like he was responsible does he? If it falls under what the CDC calls and accident, he was one of 62. Compare that number with the number of people who successfully defend themselves each year.

Speaking of Monsanto, here in CO we're fighting to expose GMO's. Spent two hours on the phone listening to sponsors of the bill and the many questions and comments from callers. It was very informative - can't say that about guns, because the NRA and their talking points get repeated over and over and over,
Here is the real truth. Monsanto (and gun control organizations) are corporate top bottom throw money and buy ad time. It isn't the NRA, it is the many grassroots groups and gun owners who don't like being scapegoated for political corruption and police incompetence in the cities. In the recall election, all of the opposing ad were purchased by out of state billionaires like Bloomberg. The other side, the NRA gave a fraction of one of Bloomberg's personal checks but the rest were grass roots. MDA is a fiction created by a PR firm headed by a former Monsanto head of public relations. There are some facebook followers, but nobody who puts their money or time where their mouth is. Bloomberg's coalition of mayors? They lose an average 5-7 a year to the criminal justice system.

while people like me get shouted down and even threatened online, even on so called Democratic sites, like DU.
I have never seen you threatened here. I have seen "antis" try to shout down "pros" in every forum I have been to.

Seems Colorado cares more about keeping people alive and healthy and many people are furious about that.
What really happened was a few politicians took Bloomberg's money and ignored the wishes of their constituents. Politicians who do that and do the "I know better than you" kind of arrogance and refuse to listen to the people in the districts deserve being fired. I don't care what their party is or if I agree with them or not. They should have been fired and were. I would prefer they be replaced by other Democrats, but that is the system.

In an other post, you mentioned organic pot. How much of that pot is grown by peaceful tax paying growers in Colorado and how much is soaked in blood? No, the corrupt oligarchs in Mexico have no fucking business lecturing us about our gun laws. How much is from out of state by the tie dyed Kochs? When I go hiking, yes I carry. The pepper spray is for the bears.
Edit to add:
I will continue to worry about my safety and especially my son who works for touring band. They spend a lot of time in states where guns are everywhere.
Statistically, he is safer in those states. He is also less likely to be killed with a gun in those states. For example, 2 of Vermont's 8 murders were with a gun. In Wyoming, 5 out of 14, four were with bare hands.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/20tabledatadecpdf

michaelhr

(7 posts)
28. 30,000 is very misleading
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:47 PM
Nov 2014

According to the FBI and CDC, about 10,000 are killed by firearms every year. This includes justified shootings by police, gang on gang killings in Chicago every other weekend, and justified home defense shootings. In a country of 310 million.

About 17,000 to 19,000 kill themselves via a firearm every year; tragic yes, but ultimately a self inflicted decision/action. No more tragic than the 6,000 that hang themselves every year of the 4000 that suffocate themselves to death every year.

Gun homicides fell 39% from 1993-2011. Fact from Holder's BJS.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
5. How do you feel about the vitriol leveled against "Hobby Lobby" Fisher?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:20 AM
Oct 2014
 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
6. Welcome to the internet
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:24 AM
Oct 2014

It's disgusting behavior regardless of who is behind it.

Funny how you never seem to post when it is the gun owners being called names though.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
7. You Want Me To Shut Up?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:02 PM
Oct 2014

and go away.

You all have manged to close any and all discussion in GD where there's like minded people like me. You want to hide the latest bad news on guns. Instead I have to come over here and get talking points about pools and Hitler. Mocking the moms and me is just as prevalent here, although not as vulgar.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=154620

There's a reason I don't go to Moms Against Gun Violence rallies - it's because I'm afraid some nut with a gun in his car will snap. They threaten, stalk us online. DU gun owners talk SHIT about me, Bloomberg and other moms with twisted glee.








GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
8. Do we want you to shut up?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:15 PM
Oct 2014

No, what we would like is for you and your like to condemn those that would urge violence on OC citizen's equally.

As for those locked threads in GD, you'll have to take that up with the Admins, they're the ones that set the rules, not the pro gun members here on DU.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
12. I don't want you to shut up
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:57 PM
Oct 2014

My comment "Welcome to the Internet" was meant to point out that this contemptible behavior happens a lot on a wide variety of topics, not just guns, on the internet

The gun control extremist posts here probably do gun owners more good then harm, I suspect many who don't take normally take sides read the threads and see the petty insults, irrational fear and the inability to discuss things calmly from gun control extremists. I seriously doubt those posts are winning you a lot of support.

So post away!!!

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
14. Thats rich.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:10 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Sat Nov 1, 2014, 01:40 PM - Edit history (1)

"You all have managed to close any and all discussion in GD where there's like minded people like me."


Yeah, following the rules is only for pro-gun posters right? Oh, and we don't block posters here for their viewpoints like is done in bansalot. Whats stopping you from posting there instead of here? You did say you "have to" come over here, right? Yup:

" Instead I have to come over here and get talking points about pools and Hitler."


Over here, where "nra talking points" isn't a get out of discussion free card, you mean.

"Mocking the moms and me is just as prevalent here, although not as vulgar."

DU gun owners talk SHIT about me, Bloomberg and other moms with twisted glee.


Gee, I wonder why:

"I fucking hate guns..." Otohara


(thread title "Make gun owners the new PARIAH"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022694426

Your response to the thread:

I Hate Them All

Fucking hate the gun people in this country.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2694584





Yeah, nobody should mock Shannon.


Oh look:















And theres some of that here too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5598611

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3690810

"There's a reason I don't go to Moms Against Gun Violence rallies - it's because I'm afraid some nut with a gun in his car will snap."


Right...because that happens so often.

"You Want Me To Shut Up?"


Heavens no. You implied in another thread, that you wish to talk about the 30,000 who die each and every year by guns.

I'd like to see you put your money where your mouth is, by starting with John Crawford. Or doesn't He matter?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
15. "Have at it boys, I know how you like to mock my moms."....
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:16 PM
Oct 2014

This line was not in the article, OMG!

It sure looks to me like a low brow taunt, an undignified challenge, or something divisive and not conducive toward constructive dialogue.

That's one of the entertaining things about what passes for serious postings here, the irony!

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
16. Whole lot of stupid in that thread.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:26 PM
Oct 2014
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
25. The OP took off after their hypocrisy was pointed out. How *very* unsurprising...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:21 PM
Oct 2014
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
27. for the record on blocks
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:00 PM
Oct 2014

Allows all points of views to be discussed

Gun Control & RKBA (Group)
Number Blocked members
1 Hoyt


Afraid of opposing views and requires a "safe haven" to protect them from those opposing viewpoints.
Gun Control Reform Activism (Group)
Number Blocked members

1 hack89
2 Eleanors38
3 Crepuscular
4 Bay Boy
5 ManiacJoe
6 bossy22
7 Straw Man
8 oneshooter
9 Duckhunter935
10 friendly_iconoclast
11 rrneck
12 customerserviceguy
13 ProgressiveProfessor
14 sarisataka
15 appal_jack
16 Travis_0004
17 geckosfeet
18 Hangingon
19 NYC_SKP
20 Jenoch
21 spin
22 shedevil69taz
23 SoutherDem
24 Lurks Often
25 ileus
26 Recursion
27 SQUEE
28 MO_Moderate
29 S_B_Jackson
30 HALO141
31 Jgarrick
32 Valakut
33 arst1
34 Nuclear Unicorn
35 TupperHappy
36 pipoman
37 yeoman6987
38 Laelth
39 IronGate
40 VScott

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
26. "DU gun owners talk SHIT about me"
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:52 PM
Oct 2014

please link to any or all of those posts or it did not happen.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
29. Was there something in the Salon article you wanted to discuss?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:57 PM
Nov 2014
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