Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumI own guns. But I hate the NRA
The caller continued with his insinuations of an imminent United Nations plot against America, but before I could be handed off to a live operator, I hung up the phone.
I was amused, and then insulted, that someone would think I was dumb enough to fall for such a pitch. But the sad truth is that there are enough people willing to open their checkbooks to make such a noxious fundraising appeal worthwhile.
The NRA claims to have 5 million dues-paying members (though there's some reason to believe this figure is inflated). That sounds formidable, until one considers that there are approximately 50 million adults who own firearms. Still, the organization has successfully positioned itself as the singular representation of gun owners. For decades they've worked to defend and expand access to firearms in spite of polls showing that most Americans, including gun owners, favor laws that would limit access in various reasonable ways (even three-quarters of NRA households favor background checks prior to private gun sales). But when a U.S. congresswoman was shot in the face, the NRA made certain that no law was passed that would have made her safer. There's no doubt that the NRA does have some grassroots support, but it's smaller than we think. The NRA does not represent all gun owners, and it certainly doesn't represent me.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-gun-owner-hates-nra-20150629-story.html#page=1
krispos42
(49,445 posts)So when your side looks all innocent and says "we're not coming for your guns", it rings hollow.
And the on-line reaction after a mass shooting, such as several OPs on here calling for the confiscation of guns, might not help your cause.
*shrug*
You've made it clear that Americans own "too many guns", and that "gun nuts keep hoarding them".
So, how do you fix the former taking into account the latter?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)who has essentially spammed this group with his Google dumps with no comments and no discussion with others.
Since I tend to be alerted on by a mysterious person, jurors please look at this for context. look at how many posts without comments.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=21&sort=author
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SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Rather than being our American birthright, gun ownership should be a privilege earned after thorough examination and training, like driving a car. But in 21st-century America, arms-bearing is an inalienable right, thanks to 27 anachronistic words of a constitution ratified in an 18th-century world of slow-loading muskets.
But something interesting has happened in the wake of the racially motivated massacre of nine African Americans in Charleston, S.C: Republican politicians in the South have found that it isnt so hard to push for removing the Confederate flag from public places, and here in North Carolina, license plates. Like public acceptance of gay marriage, this development was once unthinkable. Could gun policy face the same disruption?
clffrdjk
(905 posts)Well maybe to his in that you admit you want to take away guns and the right to own then. And then vaguely to your own in that that is exactly what the NRA is claiming to be fighting.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Yet another that wants a constitutionally protected right magically transformed into a privilege.
Not just no, but fuck no.
There is nothing, I repeat the word NOTHING, reasonable or common sense about doing such a thing.
It does, however, put lie, yet again, to this commonly repeated falsehood:
"nobody wants to take your guns".
And it confirms that "Mister FFL" is just fine with it being a privilege rather than a right.
"I own guns, I even have an FFL, BUT..."
Shamash
(597 posts)First, consider that the number of adults owning firearms is closer to 80 million than 50 million. Now, what do you have to offer those 75 million (or if you wish, 45 million) other gun owners besides scorn and a promise that you want to take away, criminalize or ban the sale of some or all of their guns, despite the fact that these people have done no wrong?
If you remember that 30% of those gun owners are Democrats, add in the Republicans and offer zilch to these voters except insulting stereotypes, threats of coercion and thinly disguised hatred, is it any wonder that gun control is getting turned down by people looking at the electoral math? A quick check shows that over 90% of the NRA-backed candidates in 2014 won their elections. This includes Colorado, where Mark Udall lost his seat after support for the recalled Colorado State Senate members, and Gabrielle Giffords' old seat in Arizona, which had been held by a fellow victim in the shooting that almost killed her.
If you belittle gun owners at every turn (even liberal ones like here at DU) and offer zero alternative to the NRA as a voice in Congress or the public eye for gun owners, it should not be much of a surprise that the NRA has the influence it does. Most of the RKBA people at DU do not like the NRA either (myself included), but that doesn't seem to count for much hereabouts. I was called an NRA-lover as recently as yesterday, in a perfect example of the "if you ain't with us, you're against us" mentality that keeps the NRA influential and makes their worst "gun grabber" prose more of an accurate description than hyperbole.
Like I said at the top, if you oppose the NRA, give those tens of millions of gun owners and gun rights supporters something better. Because the "If you roll over and let us take some of your stuff now maybe we'll be nice and not take more or it later club" doesn't seem to be getting many new members.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Picked up a new pocket holster for my LCP.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I hate the legislative portion of them. So what gun safety programs do the "gun safety" organizations have?
ileus
(15,396 posts)I don't know anyone that's recieved a call after purchasing a firearm. In fact I should get my robo call any day now, I'm expecting my newest one to show up before the day is over. Bought it off funbroker last week.
I did get a call from the NRA many election cycles ago (2007 I remember because I was assembling one of those giant wooden swingsets that takes 4200 hours to build) as soon as I heard NRA I hung up. Not being a antigun writer I wasn't interested in anything they had to say.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)After I signed a petition that supported a small business owner's right to open a gun store in a local neighborhood. Does that count? How would the NRA even know if you purchased a firearm? Is there a secret link between every gun store and the NRA?
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Which I read daily has been running a lot of anti-gun stories lately. Not sure why since I don't recall those types of stories before. The theme generally seems to be guns are bad and the U.S. should be more like Japan.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)All this, and the paper has moved toward the right.
DonP
(6,185 posts)I've been a certified instructor for basic pistol and concealed carry for a while now.
I've bought more than a few guns over the years and I've never received a single phone call from the NRA, GOA or anybody else.
I feel unloved.
It is funny that these articles show up regularly by our resident "cut and paste master", always featuring a "gun owner" that hates the NRA and wants more regulation.
The common theme always seems to feature an aggravating phone call from the NRA, that the writer (like this unemployed guy with hunting/sniper rifles) always responds to heroically.
But none of them can ever offer any evidence that any of this actually happened?
Almost sounds like a "fill in the blank" formula. doesn't it?
Could it just be gun control BS, not that gun control supporters ever lie, right?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The New York City Mayors Office of Media has confirmed these facts in its response to a Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request submitted in March.
States United To Prevent Gun Violence opens a gun store in NYC as a hidden camera social experiment to debunk safety myths, the CeaseFire USA project claimed in its description of the video. The social experiment, like the gun shop itself, was pre-arranged, permits approved by the city indicate.
Actors are interviewed on camera in a fake gun store, the permits scene descriptions reveal.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/group-actors-nyc-gun-store-facade/
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
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pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Given time to explore, we can expose the half-truths, contradictions, and outright mendacity
that gun control culture warriors are wont to use.
In contrast, reading through this thread in GD...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026929143
...made me think: "You know, if Sarah Palin somehow got the idea into her tiny little mind
to oppose guns, she'd sound just like a few of these posters"
So, to my fellow RKBA advocates, I say:
Embrace "dump and run" OPs as the opportunity they are. Fisk them thoroughly
Make the other guys words work for *us*, not them
The prohibitionists have a great and glaring weak spot- They never, *ever*
engage in any critical self-examination or even the most superficial introspection.
Doubt is a no-no, so they stick to reposts, name calling, and mindless boosterism.