We are coming for your guns because your guns keep coming for us. Get it?

[Fred Sanders]

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[DonP]

1. Flame Bait crap from a poor spokesman for an inneffective ideology

[appal_jack]

15. Worse yet,

During the upcoming campaign season, many of us pro-RKBA Democrats will be trying to convince our pro-RKBA neighbors that they should cast their vote for a progressive candidate on the "D" ticket. In some cases (like Bernie Sanders), our candidates actually have a pretty decent record on the RKBA. In others (say, Elizabeth Warren), their record on RKBA is bad, but their economic and pro-choice (etc.) policies are so good that we might even try to say, "Hey, hold your nose right now, and we can fight to convince them of RKBA issues in due time."

But those RKBA swing voiters might decide to check Democratic Underground to help make up their own minds. And here they will see Fred Sanders' blustery banning blather, and all our arguments for voting a Democratic ticket in 2016 will probably be dismissed.

Thanks Fred.

-app

[Straw Man]

2. Not one of my guns has harmed you or anyone else. Get it?

[beevul]

3. Nor mine.

Nor those of 80 plus million people.

Does that mean he is 'coming' for the criminals guns and will leave the rest of us and ours alone?

[blueridge3210]

4. No, you don't get it.

And you never will.

[sarisataka]

5. Let me know when you're coming

I'll bake a cake

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. "We are coming for your guns..."

What police department do you serve on?

[beevul]

7. Check the recs.

It seems we have a bonafide 'gun owner' that agrees with 'coming for the guns'.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. You noticed that as well, I see.

And Fred rec'ed his own thread. That's both sad and cute.

[DonP]

10. Must be a typo

Some of those same people have reassured us repeatedly that we are all "paranoid" and "nobody wants to ban your guns".

At least they say that when they think no one is paying attention to them. Which, thankfully, is pretty much all the time.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. Check out these recs --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10027008196&info=1#recs

Lots of "Nobody is going to take away your guns" posters.

[beevul]

13. Come on...

Its just private property that belongs to...others.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

16. What a monument to a lack of reason

retch, puke, vomit

[blueridge3210]

17. Business as usual.

Nothing to see here.

[SecularMotion]

20. That's nothing, check out these recs--

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10027005821&info=1#recs

[hack89]

8. That's nice. Nt

[AtheistCrusader]

11. By all means, take down the NRA.

Not a firearms advocacy group I belong to.

Please don't pretend 'guns' and the wholly-owned subsidiary of the GOP known as the 'nra' are synonymous.

[the band leader]

14. no you aren't and no they aren't.

[beevul]

18. Make sure to bring lunch...

Make sure to bring lunch, and please, bring enough for everyone.

Others have posted some excellent recipes for you to choose from, like this one:

http://www.food.com/recipe/chicken-fried-spam-247582

[Oneka]

19. Do tell..

What mechanism do you propose to "come after our guns"?
New laws perhaps, backed up by potential use of force, ie
guns?
If this is the case, you are advocating for "guns as a solution to guns" much like most, in the citizen disarmament camp.
I find the irony disturbing.

[Fred Sanders]

21. 41 replies and for some reason I can not see a single one but my own, what a puzzle.

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Anyone with a Black's Law dictionary level of legal understanding or above seem to get through...a real puzzle.

None yet.

Go ahead and discuss the premise of the OP and I will stay on the sidelines while you do debate and discuss seriously and factually the issue of the NRA being much like the Dixie Swastika...or not?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

22. It's called epistemological closure.

[beevul]

23. How can he be here to discuss anything, if he has all of us ignored?

How can he be here to discuss anything, if he has all of us ignored?


Seems counter to our SOP.

[ileus]

26. how can anyone be that thin skinned....I have ZERO people on ignore.

It must suck to have such a weak argument that one must his everyone to avoid dicussion.

[Duckhunter935]

28. Me too

I like to see what people are saying and not afraid to see it.

[blueridge3210]

24. Because you block anyone whose argument you cannot counter.

Must be terrible to be that afraid of differing opinions. Just terrible.

[ileus]

27. Pretty much the perfect example of a troll.

[blueridge3210]

30. I would have to agree (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

29. I so agree

[DonP]

33. And that's a big fat lie, his ego demands he sees what people are saying about him

Does anyone really believe that Fred doesn't keep track of every post he makes?

A narcissist is going to keep tracking every response by the hour because every single syllable that comes out of their pie hole is just so important..

And we can be pretty sure that Fred had the same level of involvement regarding the Confederate Battle Flag that he does on gun control.

He sits at his keyboard searches for cartoons by other, smarter people, and tells everyone else what they have to think and what they should do from the sidelines. Never bothering to get off his couch to actually do anything.

[beevul]

40. I personally think...

That any bluster about 'ignore' from the anti-gun side, is trickery aimed at getting us to modify our jury blacklists thinking that he can't be on any of our potential juries because he's supposedly ignoring us.

Its not like that degree of underhanded trickery hasn't been seen before from that side of the debate.

[sarisataka]

34. So you miss out on fun things

like Munchkin cards?

[mikeysnot]

42. NO worries just the typical gunner BS

nothing to see here... move along.

[blueridge3210]

43. No worries, just the typical controller unable to deal with conflicting opinions.

Nothing to see here.....move along.

Have a nice day.

[mikeysnot]

44. "controller unable to deal with conflicting opinions"

when you base your opinions on facts let us know.

[blueridge3210]

45. I did base my opinion on facts.

The fact is that Fred claims to have 47 people on ignore; this is due to the fact that he cannot deal with conflicting thoughts and ideas.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

47. "when you base your opinions on facts let us know."

Fact is -- gun control is an election loser and every time it makes the news there is a gun buying spree in the country.

Fact is -- you cannot disarm 80+ million people

Fact is -- even attempting it would require lots and lots of -- wait for it -- guns

[Fred Sanders]

46. Thanks. Get ready for the Gunner Group welcome committee to greet you with the usual NRA gifts.

[mikeysnot]

48. the lunatic fringe

is always fun to poke. So thin skinned. Full of themselves. Self serving.

[Fred Sanders]

49. The passive-aggressive voice when trying to be taken seriously, makes me laugh every time...try reading one of the posts out loud!

[mikeysnot]

50. Well they do have critical thinking skills

so they say...

[Fred Sanders]

51. Please help me out here as I have a ton of gun lovers on Full Ignore...which NRA supporting post is the best

example of the typical gun lover passive aggressive voice on this thread?

Please cut and paste to me if you have the time.

[mikeysnot]

52. Why ignore them, they're fun!

I used to cut and paste quotes with links from them in a word doc, but lost track of it over the years.... probably have it on back-up drive... they went all the way back to DU 1...

[Lizzie Poppet]

56. Hard to understand why you support cowardly behavior like that, frankly.

You have the sack to actually engage in conversation/debate on this matter, not just insult, threaten, and shove your fingers in your ears to avoid hearing anything contrary to your opinion. Why support someone who doesn't?

[Fred Sanders]

57. I suppose the "we insist we are progressives", but love the NRA and gun lovers crowd - huge paradox - are going to wail

over not "engaging in civil debate and conversation" in the Gungeon...like that ever happens?

The solution to too many guns is more guns....is logic only the NRA supports. Logic so twisted there is no point engaging, Full Ignore is the only logical choice.

[pablo_marmol]

60. See post #39. Your childishness has tragic consequences. NT

[Fred Sanders]

63. I can not see the post and it now appears that I can no longer see any of yours...tragic.

[pablo_marmol]

64. With all of us on ignore, I'm wondering why you're not removed from the group. NT

[Lizzie Poppet]

53. So why not remove them from the list and actually DISCUSS the matter?

Yes, you might get your ass handed to you in a debate. Big fucking deal. Didactically presenting opinions without actually engaging in meaningful, substantive conversation accomplishes fuck-all.

[Fred Sanders]

54. Join the list. Like I said, some gun lovers are fun, some are really very not fun at all.

[Lizzie Poppet]

55. Quick! Run away!

Way to perfectly make my point for me. Comedy-tier performance there, Freddie.

But if you refuse to engage with the majority of posters in the group, I see no reason for the group mod to allow you to remain. Drive-by posting without discussion is trolling.

[pablo_marmol]

61. Just goes to underline the difference in character between this group........

and the "activists" group. <HUGE snort!>

[ileus]

25. you go girl....

finally a regressive that will admit what they really want.

[TeddyR]

31. So Fred

Is so interested in debate that he only wants to read posts from those who support his point of view (confiscate/ban) and blocks everyone else? Sounds very authoritarian to me, almost fascist. And these types of posts are exactly why Republicans can sell the "Democrats want to ban guns" story, even though the vast majority of Democrats do NOT want to ban guns. Plays right into the NRA's hands.

[the band leader]

35. He seems like a troll tossing poo at a crowd and then running for the safety of his bridge.

If his arguments had any merit, he would have no problem defending them but they don't.

[ileus]

36. dumb argument = hurt feelings.

[branford]

32. Sigh...

Fred, do you realize that the Confederate Flag has not been banned or even regulated anywhere in the USA. That would be an unequivocal violation of the First Amendment. All that has happened is that some statehouses have voluntarily (and commendably) chosen not to fly the flag along with the American Flag and their state flags (although some of those state flags still have the Confederate Flag incorporated within their design).

If your cartoon was actually a representation of the extent of gun control advocacy, congratulations, you can declare victory and go home. Firearms are already prohibited or highly restricted in most statehouses and government buildings, all without much objection from firearm owners.

However, if your intent is to "ban" or banish the NRA, from statehouses or the general public, you'll need to repeal both the First and Second Amendments. Good luck with that...

[ileus]

37. No he doesn't realize it...he's a true believer.

Doesn't matter anyway....he has all the "false" pro2A democrats on ignore.

[branford]

39. His is a common problem.

Sadly, far too many of our own party ignore or scorn other Democrats who don't believe the 2A is some abomination in the Bill of Rights. They fail to understand that such an intransigent attitude has hurt the party politically for over a generation, everything from the extreme electoral losses that resulted from the now expired Assault Weapons Ban to more recent losses where Republicans now totally dominate the South and much of the Midwest, including a clear majority of seats in Congress and control of state governments.

Gun control is not only an big electoral loser with a majority of the population, it has effectively prevented broader progressive legislation for decades. No amount of cartoons or complaints about NRA "talking points" change this inescapable fact.

[pablo_marmol]

59. Very well, and succinctly stated. Thumbs up! NT

[Duckhunter935]

38. I do not think Fred realizes it

bu, but, but the cartoon shows it and it was on the internets so it must be true right?

[beevul]

41. We're keeping our guns fred...

We're keeping our guns fred. You can not seem to differentiate between the tiny minority that misuses guns, and the 'beyond-supermajority' that doesn't.


I'm reminded of 'Fridays child', from ST:TOS:

'What the Klingon has said is unimportant, and we do not hear his words.'

[pablo_marmol]

58. !!!

What the Klingon has said is unimportant, and we do not hear his words.

[beevul]

62. This may add some context to the OP.

I know you live in the UK, but you need to stop misstating facts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027029756#post140


I guess someone should ask him if hes coming for our guns by boat, or by plane.

[wincest]

66. so the british are coming

should we use an updated version of paul revere's secret signal “One, if by air, and two, if by sea”

[yagotme]

71. Back in the early 1940's, they asked for them politely,

as they left a lot of theirs on a beach in France, and the Islands were believed to be next on Hitler's list of possessions. We voluntarily sent over quite a few, and, in thanks, they threw them in the ocean or melted them down instead of returning them to their rightful owners after the danger had passed. Rather ingrateful, I'd say.

[virginia mountainman]

65. Just Curious..

Are you still "coming for our guns"?

[HAB911]

67. I've always said

Control your guns or someone else will

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

68. re: "Control your guns or someone else will"

And it will be someone else with a gun.

[HAB911]

69. Could be 'Authorities' with the gun.......n/t

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

70. My mistake...

...I thought your admonition was TO the authorities.

[Straw Man]

73. And I've ...

I've always said

Control your guns or someone else will

... always controlled my guns. No crimes have ever been committed with them. Yet someone else keeps trying to control them.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

74. Rules, in one sense, were made...

...for those who wouldn't know what to do if there weren't any.

[wincest]

72. why is it

that those in favor of gun control are more trusting of the police and politicians, than their fellow citizen?

isn't it the purpose of our constitution to limit the power of our government?

it was thomas paine who wrote "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil;" http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm