Open Carry Texas Activists Are Pretty Upset With Walmart Right Now

[SecularMotion]

After open carry went into effect in Texas on January 1, some businesses were inconvenienced by the size of the signs they had to put up, and other businesses were inconvenienced by the fact that they were forced to choose a side in a culture war when they mostly just wanted to sell hamburgers. But one corporation decided to punt the inconvenience over to a particular subset: its store employees. At Walmart, the official company policy regarding open carry is that customers are allowed to bring visible handguns into the store, but that store staff are responsible for verifying that the customer has a proper license for the weapon.

If you’re curious just how that works out for everybody involved, check out this video, posted by Open Carry Texas, of an encounter at the Walmart in Devine between an openly carrying patron and an employee who requests his license.

Now, Aaron Darby—the man in the video—is right about one thing: Walmart doesn’t need to verify his permit in order to avoid jeopardizing their liquor license. That’s an extra precaution the store elected to take. But Darby is wrong about something more important: He has no right to walk through a Walmart with a gun if a store manager tells him to either produce a permit or leave the store until he’s no longer armed. Although police require probable cause to stop a person and demand to see a permit, a business owner is under no such restriction.

Walmart doesn’t post 30.07 signs by its doors that would make open carry in the store a crime. But even without those signs, a business owner can still tell a customer “you’re not welcome here if you have a gun,” and if the customer refuses to leave, that’s trespassing. Your rights are different when you’re on private property than they are when you’re walking down the street.

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[Press Virginia]

1. The whole bunch or just Aaron Darby?

[GGJohn]

3. If open carry is so dangerous, then why doesn't it happen very often in states that

have allowed for open carry for many years? Here in AZ, which is a constitutional carry state, it doesn't happen hardly at all, so what makes TX any different?

[beevul]

13. The same way we knew you wouldn't address it. N/T

[Duckhunter935]

20. because you will have no answer

And it is a very sensible question.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

5. California is open carry. Any strong, emotional denunciations for them?

[Eleanors38]

7. Strong, emotional denunciations require a sort of lyricism. "California's" got too many syllables.

[Big_Mike]

8. No, Open Carry in CA essentially ended in 2012

After passage of a bill that ended in most all instances in 2011.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. Okay. Vermont then.

[rjsquirrel]

11. Bullshit

You do not even know what you're talking about.

California WalMarts are not full of armed people.

And yes, there have been violent incidents involving open carriers. Pretend otherwise if Oakes you feel better.

RKBA types ruin DU.

[beevul]

12. Cite the law.

You do not even know what you're talking about.

Cite the law then.

California WalMarts are not full of armed people.

Strawman, nobody in this thread suggested they were.

And yes, there have been violent incidents involving open carriers. Pretend otherwise if Oakes you feel better.

Not very damn many, or you and your anti-gun buddies would be filling this thread full of them. But you aren't, so there aren't.

RKBA types ruin DU.

Anti-RKBA types ruin DU, you're projecting. Also, theres an anti-gun group right here on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

Pro-gun posters are not allowed there. Yet you come to this group and stir shit, about what ruins DU.

Be honest, what ruins DU in your view is anything one says, implies, or believes, with which you disagree.

How do you feel about everytown going after Governor McAuliffe?

Does it make you proud of your anti-gun brothers and sisters, and especially daddy Bloomberg?

Be honest now...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. Violent incidents have involved Controllers running amok at WalMart.

Calling in innocent black men holding BB rifles as wielding guns so they are shot down by police or just outright tackling innocent shoppers who are lawfully carrying concealed.

Perhaps you should learn to control your own before you lecture the rest of us.

[Waldorf]

6. As a Texas I do have a couple questions for you.

When concealed carry became law in Texas, the likes of Molly Ivins said the same thing, random shootings and blood running in the streets like the ol' Wild West. I didn't happen, and the same thing is going to happen with open carry.

Mentioning open carry, what saner pasture did you run off to? 45 States allow some form of open carry.

[beevul]

14. Unacknowledged mistakes of the past, lead to identical mistakes in the future.

Wait until random shootings are a regular event at Walmarts in Texas. Every day.

Unacknowledged mistakes of the past, lead to identical mistakes in the future.

You lot said the same thing about concealed carry, "daily shootings over parking spaces", "blood in the streets", "wont someone think of the children" and on and on...

The prediction was wrong then, just like its wrong now.

[jehop61]

4. Don't know much

about guns. All I know is I would leave any venue where I saw anyone carrying a gun. Good for Walmart!

[Press Virginia]

16. Like the police or an armed security guard? They're "anyone"

I don't understand the irrational fear of a holstered pistol or a slung rifle.

[flamin lib]

17. I don't understand the irrational fear of leaving home without a gun. nt

[Press Virginia]

18. Why do you assume it's fear?

I know people who open carry to and from their shooting range even if they're running errands before or after

[DonP]

19. Please don't confuse them by entering facts into their narrative

It's very important to them that all open carriers be considered mad men/ mad women by the general population, just like all concealed carry people must be terribly afraid of life. When the "blood didn't run in the streets" with concealed carry many of them had a bad sadz. But here's another chance for them to be wrong ... again.

They pretty much gave up on trying to make all CCW people "criminals just waiting to snap". So now all CCW are just frightened of life. But they still have some hope for demonizing open carry, even though it's perfectly legal in 40+ states and there don't seem to be as many shoot outs as they seemed to hope for with open carry involved, so they need to focus on any new states that allow it.

Otherwise they have so very, very little to cling to in the area of gun control.

[flamin lib]

21. Gun sales are driven by fear.

Fear of the other, fear of 'they're gonna take em away, fear of whatever lies beyond the front door.

Call it what you want you won't fool me. It's pure agorophobia.

[sarisataka]

22. Why

do you sell guns then?

[beevul]

23. We aren't supposed to notice the anti-gunners that want to take them away...

We aren't supposed to notice the anti-gunners that want to take them away, right?

Its their screams and shouts and temper tantrum foot stomping that causes what you characterize as fear. Yet strangely they go unmentioned by you.

Why that is, is one of the worlds great unsolved mysteries.

[mikehiggins]

26. Its the screams and shouts of dying children that causes me to fear people who

carry guns. Of course, most gun owners really are responsible, clear thinking individuals. The handful of shooters since Columbine are aberrations, to be generous to a fault.

Their victims are just as dead, or like that Congresswoman, terribly damaged.

[beevul]

29. Then direct them at the correct target.

The people misusing the guns, not the guns themselves.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

24. "fear of 'they're gonna take em away"

Let us know when you challenge the BloomieBros who openly state they want to take them away.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

27. You're right. It's all fear driven.

I'm a Behavioral Health Professional. People can rationalize and justify it any way they choose, but it's all about fear.

[ileus]

25. I bet in time walmart of TEXAS will get over being scared of open carry.

Criminals don't open carry...they just shoot you.

[Gothmog]

28. Good for Walmart

I am not happy with Kroger for allowing open carry