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HAB911

(8,916 posts)
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:01 PM Jan 2017

Ed: Strengthen gun store security to close off armories for criminals

The Florida Legislature made it illegal in 1989 for an adult to leave a firearm within reach of a child. It was the rare example of a courageous response to the devastation of gun violence from a body generally more interested in eliminating restrictions on carrying and using firearms. The powerful gun lobby didn't even resist. The measure served as a model for other states. It is now time to expand that move toward responsible gun ownership by requiring those who sell firearms to protect them so they won't serve as virtual armories for Florida's criminals.

Twice in one year, thieves broke into Tampa gun stores and made off with about 40 guns each time. Soon after the most recent break-in, Nov. 29, one of the guns was found with a teenager suspected in the shooting death of an Orlando mother as she sat in her car with her child.

Then last week, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd took to his soapbox to scold store owners who shirk the "ethical and moral responsibility to secure their guns." Judd was disgusted at a theft — again, about 40 firearms — from Rapture Guns & Knives in Lakeland, a glass-fronted, strip-center store whose owner had just been warned by detectives about security.

Judd, after declaring his own libertarian leanings, questioned why the free market hasn't moved to hold gun store owners accountable for shoddy security practices. How do they get insurance, for example, or business loans?

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-strengthen-gun-store-security-to-close-off-armories-for-criminals/2309538

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Ed: Strengthen gun store security to close off armories for criminals (Original Post) HAB911 Jan 2017 OP
I happen like Sheriff Judd... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #1
My only problem with Judd is HAB911 Jan 2017 #2
That kind of goes with the office and territory n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #3
Not really, he's a HAM........n/t HAB911 Jan 2017 #4
And what"additional security" would you be willing to accept. n/t oneshooter Jan 2017 #5
And again, ignoring a question directed at him. oneshooter Jan 2017 #16
Gun theft way up in Texas after open carry... Spiggitzfan Jan 2017 #6
Well, I mean this is the calibre people we're talking about........ HAB911 Jan 2017 #7
What effect would open carry have on theft? I live in Texas and you still have to have a concealed Waldorf_ Jan 2017 #8
None whatsoever- it's a "throw something at the wall and see if it sticks" comment... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #13
"What effect would open carry have on theft?" pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #14
The thieves broke through a wall, oneshooter Jan 2017 #10
So is the temperature during summer. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #17
Burglary is already illegal Doug.Goodall Jan 2017 #9
Better let the FBI in on this: yagotme Jan 2017 #11
Heh. During the "motor bandit era" nat'l guard armories were the stores for discerning thugs. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #18
I know, the call for "Keep them in armories" yagotme Jan 2017 #19
Theft is already illegal. Kang Colby Jan 2017 #12
With a "no-plea-down" clause, also. n/t yagotme Jan 2017 #20
Amen. Eom Kang Colby Jan 2017 #21
Damn criminals - that's why we can't have anything nice! jmg257 Jan 2017 #15

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
1. I happen like Sheriff Judd...
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jan 2017

...and have a friend who worked for the department for a bit. It certainly seems reasonable to me that individual states establish what security measures are required for stores that stock firearms.

Spiggitzfan

(35 posts)
6. Gun theft way up in Texas after open carry...
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 01:50 PM
Jan 2017

A local gun store has been in the news 3 times for theft of a large number of guns each time. (Ironic that all those guns and they still weren't able to protect themselves. So much for "an armed country is a safe country.&quot After open carry passed there's been a great increase of guns stolen from cars. And the thieves openly say that a car or house with lots of NRA & "Come & take it" stickers/signs might as well have a target drawn on it. One asshole put out a sign pointing to his neighbor's house, saying that the person was unarmed & could easily be robbed. The thieves robbed *his* house, guessing correctly that he had a stockpile of valuable weapons.
When/if these guns hurt/kill someone, I'll bet Texas doesn't try to hard to trace them, because the inconvenient evidence might point to a need for gun control. Republicans will never let evidence disturb their cult-like worship of guns.

Waldorf_

(16 posts)
8. What effect would open carry have on theft? I live in Texas and you still have to have a concealed
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 05:40 PM
Jan 2017

carry permit to open carry. No constitutional carry here.

And as a concealed carry user, I have yet to see someone open carrying. I live in the D/FW area.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
14. "What effect would open carry have on theft?"
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:16 AM
Jan 2017

Clearly, we're dealing with a victim of the GCRDF.*

*"Gun Control" Reality Distortion Field

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
10. The thieves broke through a wall,
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 07:55 PM
Jan 2017

or drove a stolen vehicle through the front door. All done in the early morning/late night hours. Multiple persons enter, break casses, cut cables, grab what they can and leave in a waiting vehicle. All this done in a strip shopping center with no cameras.

Doug.Goodall

(1,241 posts)
9. Burglary is already illegal
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 06:06 PM
Jan 2017

There are laws against breaking and entering. There are laws against theft of property. There are laws against Grand Theft. There are law against receiving stolen property. There are laws against shooting people to death while sitting in a car.

Just what additional laws do you propose to eliminate this lack of security in retail establishments that sell guns?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
18. Heh. During the "motor bandit era" nat'l guard armories were the stores for discerning thugs.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:07 PM
Jan 2017

The Ashley gang (c1910-1926) of South Florida preferred BAR full-autos to the wimpy Thompsons, and who gonna call? Armories.

yagotme

(2,919 posts)
19. I know, the call for "Keep them in armories"
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:26 PM
Jan 2017

the anti-gunners keep making, doesn't hold up that well for this.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
12. Theft is already illegal.
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 08:42 PM
Jan 2017

No need to victimize the victim. Gun laws aren't necessary, but I would support a mandatory minimum of 50 years in all gun theft convictions.

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