Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumD.C. Non-Residents Should Leave Their Guns At Home
The Washington Times reportsUnder pressure from Congress and the public, D.C. officials are moving to ease one of the least defensible of their anti-gun ordinances. Council Chairman Phil Mendelson, also the Judiciary Committees chairman, held a hearing Monday on his proposal to decriminalize possession of a gun or ammunition for nonresidents.
Mr. Mendelson opened by reading my accounts of military men jailed over innocuous mistakes with the citys gun-control laws. Army 1st Lt. Augustine Kim was arrested while legally transporting his firearms through the city because he stopped for a doctors visit at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for an injury he sustained in Iraq.
Another veteran who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, former Army Spc. Adam Meckler, was arrested at the Veterans of Foreign Wars building because he had 14 long-forgotten rounds of loose ammunition in his bag.
The bill under consideration would give the D.C. attorney general discretion not to charge nonresidents like Lt. Kim and Spc. Meckler with criminal counts carrying up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine. Instead, possession of an unregistered firearm or ammunition could be handled with a fine and no record.
The two examples given are both pretty flaky.
In the first one, how could the guy have been arrested if he was "legally transporting his firearms through the city?" Isn't the whole idea that it's ILLEGAL to do that? That's not an "innocuous mistake" on the part of the arresting officers.
The second case is even worse. "Long forgotten" ammunition is not acceptable, I don't care where you are. Gun owners must be held responsible for their weapons and ammo.
Of course, to make their point in this transparently biased article they chose two examples of hero war veterans. I suppose that's supposed to make the issue so much more sympathetic.
What about the crack dealer from Northern Virginia who happens to have a clean record and drives into DC to conduct his business? Should he also be met with leniency and consideration like the war heroes? What about the domestic abuser who goes to pay a visit to his estranged wife living back with her mother in DC? He deserves a break too, right?
My opinion is this. Gun owners need to be responsible, and part of that responsibility is deciding when to leave the guns at home. It's just that simple. When visiting the Nations Capital or New York City or when going to the airport, leave the guns at home.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)"What about the crack dealer from Northern Virginia who happens to have a clean record and drives into DC to conduct his business?"
Legal gun owners are equivalent to crack dealers?
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)then yes. You know about that innocent until proven guilty thing?
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)a trial.
What is this country coming to?
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)Full stop.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)If so I agree.
MercutioATC
(28,470 posts)Firearms and ammunition are LEGAL to possess (with some exceptions).
Crack is NOT LEGAL to possess (with no exceptions).
If I forget my nail clippers or bottle of shampoo in my carrryon luggage, that's a whole lot different than forgetting my ounce of crack in my carryon, wouldn't you agree?
ileus
(15,396 posts)Safety first.....keep it on your person. Trouble doesn't make an appointment.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)The problem occurs if you stop for any reason except a traffic light
DC should change their laws to match the rest of the country. If they don't congress may do it for them.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)that is the envy of the entire world.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)I highly resent the veiled attempt to equate vets with crack dealers. You should delete or edit this POS post. You come close to what got you kicked off of Daily Kos.
As far as leaving your guns at home, why? It's incumbent upon DC to change their laws to mirror the rest of the nation as far as transporting your guns. and if they won't, the Congress will.
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glacierbay
(2,477 posts)a personal attack. Real classy there Mike, real classy.
BTW, it's glacierbay, not glacierboy, although you probably meant it as an insult.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)and thank you for whoever alerted on Mike's attack on me. A 6-0 decision.
This is the same kind of crap that got him banned from DK.
DonP
(6,185 posts)His blog flogging has become increasingly strident and desperate since his re-emergence.
He refuses to include any of his gun control "ideas" in his actual posts and tries to drive people to his blog to marvel at his "insight". Plus, virtually all his subjects are second hand stories that have already been posted by others.
At some point Skinner is going to notice that he's basically trying to run a "for profit" blog operation on Skinner and Earl G's dime.
ileus
(15,396 posts)If not he'd engage himself in other threads. He doesn't even believe the whit he spews or he'd comment in other non Mike threads.
Clames
(2,038 posts)Mikey is proving it.
DonP
(6,185 posts)They are already on the hook for, IIRC, $3 million in attorney fees to Gura & Possessky, the NRA, SAF etc. for the pathetic Heller team loss.
Now you and the rest of the gun control brain trust want them to continue to fight changing any of their restrictive laws. What the hell, it's not like it's your money anyway, right?
I'm sure with your strong feelings and incredible insight, (from a cheap cafe somewhere on a side street in Italy), into what America needs to do, that you've been writing checks to the city of DC to help offset the cost of following advice from you and your fellow gun controllers to "fight the NRA".
Probably a regular contributor to the Brady group and Rahm in Chicago to help him pay off the bills from the McDonald loss too right?
Or are you just another lousy armchair quarterback with a crappy track record in court, telling everybody else what to do, but never actually getting your hands dirty ... beyond poorly thought out blog posts?
Tell me you do more than just sit there and try to find ways to recycle stories already posted and desperately try to drive Blog traffic so you can make a few bucks?
Share some of your real world activities to further gun control with the class.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Lazy, too. Particpating in the gun control 'closed information-feedback loop' is the sum total of activism for 99% of them.
And still they wonder why the NRA, SAF are on the ascendant lately. That's easily figured out:
They figure out what is needed to achieve their goals and then do it. In contrast, what do their opponents largely occupy themselves with?
Writing and commenting upon news accounts and op-eds by people they already agree with, while simultaneously demonizing those they don't like.
They've yet to figure out that this isn't actually doing anything...
DonP
(6,185 posts)My favorite is one of our "friends" here who whines consistently about how gun control laws are far too loose, how wonderful all those California laws are and never misses a chance to whine in Meta about how we are all right wing trolls, always after someone else starts a thread, where he won't be challenged. He still shows up once in a while here, snarks quickly and goes away ... thankfully.
When he first showed up here I asked him what he actually does to support his beliefs and he said, he can't actually afford to donate to any causes and he's not a "joiner" for any organization..
He also admitted that he never actually held or fired a gun and doesn't know anyone that owns one but ...he reads a lot about guns and gun control on the web so he's "well informed".
He claims his real support is espousing gun control principles to people he meets and his legislator, who he also can't afford to contribute to.
"Please lord, may all of our opponents in this debate be as clueless and ineffective, amen."
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
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gejohnston
(17,502 posts)are all of the resident source police on vacation? You are sourcing and article by Emily Miller, who used to work for Tom DeLay, in the Washington Times.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)DC should start honoring the Bill of RIGHTS....
If the OP has a problem with the Bill of Rights, he is free to live in another nation....wait a moment.....
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Callisto32
(2,997 posts)Except the walleye are blog traffic and Gull Lake Brainerd, MN is DU (for the analogical thinking-challenged among us).
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)should be so protected against guns.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)It's a disgrace that anyone claiming to be a Democrat is OK with this.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)Why should otherwise law abiding people be locked up for bringing a weapon into D.C? Personally I'd love to see a federal CCW law that FORCES places like D.C to not only allow weapons but to allow people to carry them. If nothing else the FOPA law should be amended to allow you to conduct business in areas with ridiculous gun laws such as D.C. without fear of arrest.
DonP
(6,185 posts)DC is having issues because former Mayor Fenty and his "Ace" legal team of advisers decided the Bill of Rights didn't apply to them.
They got their ass handed to them by SCOTUS with Heller. Now, instead of just following the decision they are trying to be too cute with several follow up regulations they tried to push through that are also being thrown out.
As the loser in what is a civil rights case, they have to pay the legal expenses of the winning side, somewhere around $3 million.
I fail to see what Congress or the GOP has to do with this issue in DC, but feel free to enlighten us with any cites you have to explain your rather bizarre take on this.
Oh, be sure and let us know when you're appointed the official DU judge of what makes a good Democrat too. You'll be about the 15th self appointed apparatchik we've had down here. Until then you're just another "fart in a wind storm".
ileus
(15,396 posts)Twenty-three-year-old Terrell Lamont Bethel is charged with seven counts of attempted murder, possession of a weapon during a violent crime, firing a gun into an occupied place, possession of drugs and failure to stop for police.
Twenty-year-old Steve McCoy of Elgin was killed in the Sept. 15 shooting and two other people were injured.
Police say Bethel was part of a group that became involved in an argument at the restaurant and several people drew guns. Police spokeswoman Jennifer Timmons says investigators do not think Bethel fired the shot that killed McCoy.
Officers are looking for a second suspect.
When I read the story I thought I'd focus on the absence of a "felon in possession of a firearm" charge and point out that these guys in the restaurant who all drew their guns and had a shootout over an argument were probably good ole boy lawful gun owners, NRA members and concealed carry permit holders.
Then I saw his picture.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
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Sorry for the link, but I didn't want anyone to think I wrote that.
DonP
(6,185 posts)What's a guy that judges people based on how they look doing on a Progressive web site doing nothing but hawking his crappy Italian Blog?
I wonder if Skinner minds playing host to a guy that thinks like that?
rl6214
(8,142 posts)What a joke