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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:16 PM Oct 2012

Man gets 2 years in gun case

RIVERSIDE — An ex-Marine from Hemet who smuggled a machine gun into the country from Iraq, where he served in combat, was handed a two-year federal prison sentence Thursday.

Joel Cleve Miller, 40, was convicted in June of illegally possessing an automatic weapon — an AK-47 that he told friends had once been used by Saddam Hussein’s royal guard.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office had sought a minimum five-year sentence for the former staff sergeant, but U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips imposed the lesser term based on his lack of criminal history.

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“The most important thing is the deterrent effect,” Merrill said. “These are very dangerous weapons. No matter why or how you possess them, having them puts the community at risk.”

http://www.mydesert.com/viewart/20121025/NEWS0802/310250049/Man-gets-2-years-gun-case
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Man gets 2 years in gun case (Original Post) SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
smuggling war trophies isn't new gejohnston Oct 2012 #1
A PLT SGT. I knew Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #4
A friend of mine I served with in Vietnam glacierbay Oct 2012 #13
You didn't x-ray file cabinets from supply did you? ileus Oct 2012 #8
Thats a long time to spend rrneck Oct 2012 #2
Dammit! discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #3
"No matter why or how you possess them, having them puts the community at risk." PavePusher Oct 2012 #5
What a shame he didn't do the paperwork ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #6
+1 Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #9
That's why there needs to be a "take-home" rule for our military heros. ileus Oct 2012 #7
works for me. One for every day of the week. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #10
So it is....7 guns total any combination of full and semi. ileus Oct 2012 #12
The guns he smuggled back home Jenoch Oct 2012 #11
Even it it's a roomy Pelican, Francis Marion Oct 2012 #14

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
1. smuggling war trophies isn't new
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:28 PM
Oct 2012

During the first Gulf War, I was detailed to run an X ray machine for a couple of weeks. We busted an Army officer trying to smuggle a Tokarev pistol in a hollowed out book. He even thought of making a foil book jacket to block the x-ray. It doesn't work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT_pistol

 

Trunk Monkey

(950 posts)
4. A PLT SGT. I knew
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:46 PM
Oct 2012

Told me he found an M9 laying on the ground dissambled it and brought it back in the fuel tank of a HEMMIT.

I have no idea if he actually did or not but he wasn't caught if he did

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
13. A friend of mine I served with in Vietnam
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:10 PM
Oct 2012

shipped an AK-47 home piece by piece, of course things were much different back then, hard to get away with now.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,481 posts)
3. Dammit!
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:42 PM
Oct 2012

You beat me to it again! I hope that case has a hole for the ostomy bag and catheter.

I sure hope he's a little feller.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
5. "No matter why or how you possess them, having them puts the community at risk."
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 05:35 PM
Oct 2012

Blatently untrue, and the judge is an effing idiot for saying it.

The Marine is an idot to, for getting caught breaking a stupid effing law. Keep your damn mouth shut, very simple.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
6. What a shame he didn't do the paperwork ...
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 06:46 AM
Oct 2012

... to legally import the weapon.

Essentially, they sent a man who served his country to prison for not filling out the correct forms.

Prisoner of conscience?

ileus

(15,396 posts)
7. That's why there needs to be a "take-home" rule for our military heros.
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:35 AM
Oct 2012

They should be allowed import (1) full auto and (5) semi's to bring home. This could really add to the #'s of legal Class III firearms and give everyone an opportunity at an affordable automatic rifle.



Maybe we could allow (2) auto's.


 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
11. The guns he smuggled back home
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:23 PM
Oct 2012

certainly were desirable weapons but I don't think they were worth ruining his life over. A dishonorable discharge is about the worst possible punishment for a person. Not only does this guy have to go to federal prison for two years, he loses all of his veteran's benefits and every employment application I've ever seen asks about military discharge. And it was his ex-wife who turned him in.

Francis Marion

(250 posts)
14. Even it it's a roomy Pelican,
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:00 PM
Oct 2012

two years in a gun case is definitly cruel and unusual punishment, not to mention the guy's going to need to breathe.

Seriously- the correct response should be no response.

An AK-47 is exactly the type of arm, per Amendment II,which We the People should keep and bear.

That's probably what this weapon was doing 'back home' in Iraq.

And here a Marine snuck it back, and has a legal problem.

The Bill of Rights says one thing. The Institutions don't have to respect it.

And we tolerate and normalize the negation of Amendment II.



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