Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumGood News from New York - Pro-Gun Control Democrat wins 9th term
McCarthy secured nearly 62 percent of the vote, beating back a challenge from Nassau County Legis. Francis Becker, R-Lynbrook, who had the support of 32 percent of the district's voters. Frank Scaturro, C-New Hyde Park, was a distant third, with less than 6 percent.
http://fivetowns.patch.com/articles/election-2012-mccarthy-becker-scaturro-4thcongressional
It also means closing the gun-show loophole by requiring a background check for every gun sale in the United States. Such checks would choke the supply chain for illegal gun dealers, who go down to states where background checks arent required. So far, the House of Representatives hasnt even let legislation of this kind receive a debate or a vote.
There are people who think that limiting access to some of the most dangerous consumer products in the world is somehow equivalent to banning them. They see the world in black and white, but that world doesnt exist.
You can support the Second Amendment while also expecting reasonable precautions to keep innocent Americans especially the police charged with protecting us safe. Its just common sense.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-10-23/news/34686479_1_gun-show-loophole-gun-sale-gun-rampage
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Hopefully, McCarthy will spend her energies on meaningful work, like tax & budget reform, and securing the viability of SS and Medicare.
hack89
(39,171 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...a demonstrated ignorance of or willful opposition to the Constitution you've sworn to defend should be grounds for impeachment.
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)In the past she advocated total registration and a total semi-automatic ban. She opposes self defense as well.
"You can support the Second Amendment while also expecting reasonable precautions to keep innocent Americans ";
Given the history of the bills she's introduced and sponsored I wonder what she means by "support" and "reasonable".
She needs to get specific in order to achieve credibility.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)In the WoT we don't focus on trying to prevent terrorist from getting explosives. Terrorists will always be able to get bombs. Instead we kill or imprison terrorists. Dead terrorist don't make bombs. And dead criminals won't shoot folks. A cheap way of having more dead criminals is to promote the arming of the law-qabiding citizens. and empowering them to legally defend themselves.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Carolyn "shoulder thingy that goes up, heat seaking bullets" McCarthy? Why would you consider it a win for gun control, her position hasn't changed since she was first elected.
The House is controlled by the R's who will not let any new gun control laws pass, the Senate is led by Dem. Harry Reid who is a strong proponent of the RKBA and he won't let any gun control laws come up for a vote.
Bottom line is that there is no gain for the controller.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:50 PM - Edit history (1)
First, I was going to recount the "heat seeking/shoulder thing/..." but that just seemed so cliche.
Then, I thought I might explain "She has made attempts to broaden her policy portfolio, but hasn't been able to shed the label of being a one-issue congresswoman." Which is a song sung by the pro-control folks when the finger is pointing the other way. But that just didn't seem to "sing" for me.
Pointing out that "McCarthy was a registered Republican before her first run for Congress." and that the one-issue in her play book fit the Democrats better than the Republicans and that this makes her party choice one of convenient sponsorship more than fundamental beliefs just looked like it might take a bit too much think before my second cup of coffee.
So in order to really cut to the chase, I'll just say that this OP has been rec'ed by a certain banned poster whose username starts with an "H".
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)nt
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...federal bayonet licensees. The bayonet show loophole remains opens open.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)what if a citizen makes a bayonet by modifying a kitchen knife with some duct tape?
Think of the children!
We must ban all knives and adhesive materials. Otherwise how are we to end the rampant bayonetings that plague our inner cities?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)She ran as a Democrat against the same guy she lost against in a Republican Primary. She was elected in 1997 as a Democrat, but she was still a registered Republican. She changed her registration in 2003.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)There ya go.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)bear some intellectual respect for her.
As it stands, Ms. "Shoulder Thing That Goes Up" is simply an embarrasment to decent Democrats and Liberals everywhere.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)I'm saying "Please, for the love of FSM, find a better Democrat."
Please try to not invent something I didn't say or even hint at.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)!
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Good News- Allen West LOSES with his Gun Advocacy Positions
Allen would Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases.
West co-sponsored Firearms Interstate Commerce Reform Act
Congressional Summary:Amends the federal criminal code to:
allow licensed firearms dealers to sell or deliver any firearm (currently, rifles or shotguns) to any state if the licensee meets with the purchaser and the transaction complies with the laws of the state in which the transfer is conducted and the purchaser's state of residence; and
eliminate the requirement that a licensee must conduct business at a gun show only in the state that is specified on the licensee's license.
Nothing in this Act shall prohibit the sale of a firearm or ammunition between licensed firearms dealers at any location in any state.
Proponent's Comments (NRA-ILA, Oct. 14, 2011):
This bill would remove several antiquated and unnecessary restrictions (his words) imposed on interstate firearms business since 1968:
-Virtually all interstate transfers directly between private citizens are banned; so are nearly all interstate handgun sales by licensed dealers.
-Firearms dealers may only do business at their licensed premises or (since 1986) at gun shows in their own state.
-Dealers may not even transfer firearms to one another face to face, away from their business
Did I mention he blames the Holcaust on not having guns? How about his argument government can mandate owning guns if it can mandate regulating guns (virtually every other safety regulation not withstanding).
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)You didn't remove any of our gun rights. You simply blocked our advance on one bill. We have won dozens of other bills and several referendums this year. It has still been a losing year for gun control.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts).
Put in win column.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)And the tie was only on that bill. You didn't push back any gun rights. And we had dozens of pro-gun bills become law and several pro-gun referendums passed.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Nothing more.....but now that you mention the tally, we have a President who supports an AWB over a Republican who didn't.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)The status of the AWB has not changed. All you have is a tie. No gun rights have been removed yet. Until you get a pro-control bill or regulation passed, you have nothing. Meanwhile, in this year alone, there have been dozens of pro-gun bill that have become law.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)See 2008 Platform
See 2012 Platform
Notice what changed?
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)then yeah, that changed, but not gun laws and I can safely say that with the R's in control of the House and Harry Reid, a strong proponent of the RKBA, as the Sen. Majority Leader, there will be no new gun control laws, much less a new AWB, so there is no win here, it's the same status quo.
Pres. Obama can't unilaterally declare an AWB law.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Until you have a law or regulation change that is against guns you have nothing.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)......and a great wish list that Rep McCarthy with her election will make a reality.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Especially with the R's in control of the House and the Senate Dem leader, Harry Reid, who is a staunch RKBA and will not allow any gun control laws to come up for a vote.
Other legislative issues, maybe, we'll see.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)She will accomplish nothing with regard to gun control. Reality check for you. Over half the House and almost half the Senate has an NRA rating of "A". The leadership of both chambers is solidly pro-gun.
Spryguy
(120 posts)why we are worried about keeping the pigs safe. Don't we pay those fuckers enough to get shot at for us? And they get to wear body armor and guns anywhere they want?