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ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:03 PM Nov 2012

Build your own AR-15 w/o registration or serial number

Story here: http://www.10news.com/home/homepage-showcase/people-line-up-to-legally-make-untraceable-guns

Fact is federal law allows you to make firearms for personal use. Its not all that hard if you have the time and the tooling. It is a lot like building an experimental aircraft.

Given the modularity of the AR design, I expect to see more of this.

State laws may vary so be careful. In the case of California don't forget that the magazine removal needs to require the use of a tool

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slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
1. Other important things to note about California state law
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:26 PM
Nov 2012

Even with a fixed magazine design, magazine capacity cannot exceed 10 rounds for any newly manufactured weapon.

It's also possible to build a rifle that takes detachable magazines but doesn't fall under the state's definition of "assault weapon" by not having a conventional pistol grip, threaded muzzle, folding stock, or bayonet mount.

I built my own AR-15 lower receiver before the ban, so it's fully featured and legal.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
3. So that's why I did it?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:21 PM
Nov 2012

All the time I was building my AR's I thought it was doing it to save a few bucks and to get exactly the rifle I wanted.

I had no idea it was to avoid being traced by the authorities.

Once again the local news people offer me fresh new insight into why we gun owners do things.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
10. If you have a local FFL you can order one totally custom.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:33 AM
Nov 2012

Lowers are simple to assemble.

Lead times now are 3-6 months (so a 5 day waiting period is nothing . Lead times for the better quality parts are long for everything now thanks to the panic people so it'll be awhile before I build another target rifle.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
5. It's amazing that some misinformed people here ...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:42 PM
Nov 2012

... believe that modern guns can only be made in high-tech factories run by evil gun companies -- apparently all owned by Dick Cheney.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
6. The only part of many modern firearms that is truly out of reach for a hobbyist to make...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:48 PM
Nov 2012

...is a rifled barrel. That requires heavy equipment.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
7. Local museum has a replica gunsmith shop.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:58 AM
Nov 2012

Some jack screws, a little math and a pinch of mechanical ingenuity. It wouldn't be fast but it could be done.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
8. They were doing it in the 18th Century, so it isn't rocket science
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:01 AM
Nov 2012

But it's certainly beyond my skill level at the moment.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
9. Modern firearms.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:28 AM
Nov 2012

Not shopping either today, good man!

Higher pressures of modern cartridges necessitated better materials and better machining to minimize the weight of firearms. They use to cast cannons out of brass and bronze! On the farm we use to make golf ball mortars out of schedule 40 pipe pounded deep into the ground (in case it blew). We even rifled a PVC plastic potato cannon that used propane. We didn't invent anything (or kill anyone) we just got information that was at hand and made things. (Young and dumb).

IIRC Kalashnikov played with farm equipment before he went into the army. Makes me wonder what went through Kalashnikov's, Ga rand's and Browning's minds??

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
11. Browning is particularly fascinating to me. I've worked on several guns that he designed.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:36 AM
Nov 2012

Including building a 1911 pistol from unfinished parts.

As a machinist it's very interesting following his footsteps. He used tooling in creative ways, such as using key-seat cutters to machine grooves both for sliding parts and static components with tongue-and-groove connections. My manual vertical milling machine is functionally identical to one he used for many years in his little shop in Utah.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
12. And Browning didn't have CNC or CAD either.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:39 PM
Nov 2012

All manual calculations and operations. 1911's fascinate the hell out of me.

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