Let's cut the bullshit.

[randys1]

The vast majority of white Bernie supporters didnt care about the Black Lives Matter movement when it started and many openly criticized them when BLM confronted Bernie.

Now that the movement is confronting Hillary, they have all this respect and concern for BLM and the people in it.

Bullshit.

White people of both political persuasions dont spend much time, if any, caring about POC unless it is part of some bigger issue.

So just admit up front the reason so much energy is spent around here on this angle of the campaign is because white Bernie supporters are frustrated with Black people who arent voting for Bernie and they want to educate them into doing so.

Be honest about it and who knows, you might get somewhere.


p.s. I have a selfish reason for this, I actually want Black people to vote for Bernie, but I know the way some go about that is making it worse, not better. I would actually like him to fucking win, not lose. Imagine that

[monicaangela]

1. I'm with Ashley Williams

[FrenchieCat]

19. Yes, the protest the other day.....

I did write about that incident....
if you care to read it.....

NO Ashley Williams, you are NOT a Superpredator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118742618

Hillary did apologize for using the words...
“In that speech, I was talking about the impact violent crime and vicious drug cartels were having on communities across the country and the particular danger they posed to children and families. Looking back, I shouldn’t have used those words, and I wouldn’t use them today.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/25/black-lives-matter-protester-who-interrupted-clinton-slams-hillarys-apology-video/#ixzz41KT108uC

But Ashley Williams was a Bernie Supporter
long before she decided to protest....

[monicaangela]

20. Got any real proof?

Ashley is a college student. I met Cornel West when I was in college. That didn't make me a Bernie Surrogate or a paid Shield for Cornel West. Come up with something a little more believable.

[FrenchieCat]

21. I don't need any proof....

Folks can make their own determination in this free country.

It's fine with me for folks to use whatever they feel is required...
I'm not disputing whether she had a right to do what she did,
because of course she did!

And of course she's a student. No one is arguing otherwise.
as it has nothing to do with what may have been a coordinated effort
to do whatever is required to gain Black Votes in SC.

I've also met Cornel West....
but I didn't then go protest the opponent of the candidate that Cornel West is a surrogate for
in a political campaign soon afterwards.

Hillary Clinton is not my BFF....
I just simply know that we ain't each getting 40 acres and a Mule
if Bernie Sanders is elected.


Edited to add: I'm sure she didn't get paid for it. I'm sure she believes in her cause. I only posted the twitter post of her pic...
the assertions are not mine.

[monicaangela]

22. Oh I see...

[FrenchieCat]

24. A lot of us see.....

for sure.

To be honest, I'll tell you why many of the older Black folks won't be voting for Bernie Sanders....
which has to do with the fact that many of them are Church goers,
and Bernie Sanders is an Atheist.....
and although most folks probably don't care quite as much about that,
they do care of how that would play out in a General Election.

when added as an electoral handicap
along with his age,
advocating astronomical increases in taxes,
while screaming revolution,
and making promises he can't keep,
and the fact that he is a self labeled Socialist,
makes him virtually unelectable.

See the stats on his chances, based on who he is and what he stands for:
In U.S., Socialist Presidential Candidates Least Appealing
http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

Folks aren't going to vote for a message candidate that starts out of the gate with a
-50% deficit...as they understand the ramifications of doing that.

Many more Black folks than you may know,
care more about the Supreme Court,
the health Care law that has already passed,
and do not want Pres. Obama's 8 years in office erased
by losing the General Election.

I think many don't believe Sanders is worth all of that,
considering that he wouldn't be able to pass any of what he's advocating,
if by some miracle, which most don't believe will happen, he did win the election.

It's not like he's increase the primary voting thus far! Voting has been down for Democrats
in each primary thus far. The Revolution occurred in 2008, but most folks were so busy
criticizing Barack Obama way too early to actually realize it!

[monicaangela]

42. I see you have

made up your mind and that's fine, although I have to disagree with your assumption that older AA's won't vote for Bernie Sanders...maybe some won't, but many will. I hope that if you get your way and Hillary Clinton wins the election and becomes president I won't have to come back here and tell you, "I told you so." Let's hope she's the Hillary she presents today, and not that Goldwater girl, or the one who lobbied for Welfare Reform and the 1994 Criminal bill, or the one who was on the Board of Walmart or the one...well, you get the message.

[FrenchieCat]

45. If Republicans were to win

That would be a trifecta, the house, the Senate, the presidency as well as being able to mold the Supreme Court for the next 30 years. There goes Voting rights, civil rights, women's rights, environmental lights, union rights, and on, and on, and on!

The young people would be wandering the desert till probably The end of the century!

It would be like after Reconstruction when all of the advances that black people made right after the Civil War suddenly disappeared. I'm sorry, but no one person, just because he says the things we've been wanting to hear, is worth that.

[monicaangela]

47. I understand your fear,

but I ask, have you even thought of what might happen if Hillary Clinton runs against the republican nominee and loses? There is a real possibility that if the nominee is Trump, he will know where a lot of Clinton skeletons are hidden as far as Wall Street is concerned. Imagine if he discourages a lot of voters with some news that she is and has been on the take where Wall Street Lobbyist and donors are concerned. This would turn off a lot of voters, and although many would not vote for Trump, they just might become disgusted and decide to stay home. That would leave us in that boat you are so desperately trying to avoid.

[FrenchieCat]

53. What hurts in a primary, it's so different

Then what's required in a general election, until it's not even funny!

Hillary Clinton is the most prepared candidate that I've ever seen! And she made Obama a better candidate back in 08! That woman has tenacity, she don't get beat down! She lived in the White House eight years, was a Senator for eight years, and a Secretary of State for 4 years! If there was a terrorist attack three days before the election, she would stand toe to toe with a dumbass like Donald Trump, and kick his ass, and have him running around like a little girl!

She's not going to be my BFF, and that's not what I'm looking for... nor am I looking for a purist. i'm looking for a savvy politician who will get the shit done.

And plus, I don't think the revolution needs to die out because Bernie Sanders is not in the White House. We can still make our demands, we can still be at the Windows, we can still do what needs to be done, without only throwing stones at the president, like what was done with Barack Obama.

Sanders can't be the only person who can be president to get folks to pressure congress to do the right thing! So I guess the question is, why can't that be done anyway, no matter who's president! It's not like Sanders wouldn't still be in the Senate. If he has a following, why would they disappear?

Plus, there are many moderate Republicans that will not vote for Trump, but if you give them the choice between Trump and a socialist, that's going to make it kind of hard for them to decide.

Here's a moderate high profile Republican saying just that.
https://politicalwire.com/2016/02/26/whitman-says-shell-vote-for-clinton-before-trump/
And Lindsey Graham another high-profile Republican set it on national TV a couple of days ago as well. These people are just as afraid of a Trump presidency as everybody else!

[monicaangela]

56. There is "getting things done" and there is getting things done correctly.

Hillary Clinton is prepared for what? And, she did not make President Obama a better candidate back in 08, she only provided evidence that she was not then nor is she now a good candidate for president. If you will notice, Bernie Sanders has caused her to try to pull from center right to center left, and she is being shown as a flip flopper because of it. Why, because the ideas she is trying to usurp from Bernie are not her ideas and there is proof they are not. That is one of the problems you have when you have a long public history. I suppose she does have tenacity, after all she has endured she would have to have that, but then so does anyone else that has had their life dragged over the coals publicly. If there were a terrorist attack, she would do whatever any other president would do. Follow the instructions of whoever she has selected as Secretary of Defense. You are correct, she won't be your BFF or BFF of anybody else in the nation UNLESS they can grease her palm.

The revolution has been going on since long before Sanders decided to run for office. Sanders has volunteered to try to help move the effort along, while Clinton has said emphatically "Don't rock the boat, things are fine." Those people that would not vote for Sanders because he is a democratic socialist would not vote for him for many other reasons. People who would vote for Trump under any circumstance, are loyal Trump voters, they aren't going to vote for Hillary either. Graham and other republicans that do not want Trump for president don't want him because the establishment won't be able to control him, or at least that is what they think. They know Trump as president will be just as detrimental to them and their bottom line as he will be to democrats. Remember, these are the folks that wanted Citizens United and got the court to let them have it.

[FrenchieCat]

65. It was nice having this discussion

But we just don't agree.

Nothing wrong with that!

[monicaangela]

66. Thank you FrenchieCat

I enjoyed the conversation as well. It looks as though Hillary is going to win big tonight. Congratulations!

[FrenchieCat]

67. Thanks!

[Kokonoe]

2. Let's just call bullshit, as bullshit is.

Why do support Hillary.

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. Why do white folks support trump or rubio or cruz? That is the subset ...

of the population you should be racking your brain to figure out.

[Kokonoe]

11. So, you support Hillary

Instead of trump Rubio or cruise.

Why do support Hillary.

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. I don't support HRC, so much as oppose ...

trump Rubio and cruz.

[monicaangela]

43. Racism? Bigotry?

A need to preserve their privilege? Hatred? Fear? Many reasons...what's your reason for voting for Hillary?

[1StrongBlackMan]

48. To defeat trump or cruz or rubio. eom

[monicaangela]

49. I was replying to your post #6

[1StrongBlackMan]

50. I know. And I was replying to your question in your reply. eom.

[monicaangela]

52. I really don't believe

Hillary is the best person to defeat them. Just look at the way they attack each other during debates. Imagine what they are going to do to her with all of the baggage she is carrying. Let's face it, republicans HATE the Clintons, they will stop at nothing to defeat her. That is my concern.

[1StrongBlackMan]

55. I do ...

Imagine what they are going to do to her with all of the baggage she is carrying.

They will do what they have been doing to her for the past 30 years ... Nothing will change, nor will the effect be any more "damaging".

Now, just look at the way they attack each other during debates. Imagine what they are going to do to Sanders with all of his video sound bites and "unknowns" ... that his supporters insist are not a problem, even as the issues have gone unchallenged.

And frankly, if the campaign and his supporters' responses to that "vetting" is anything like their response to HRC's campaign and her supporters, it's going to be a blood bath.

But that said, I suspect that I really won't be having to make a choice ... the Primary is likely to be, all but decided, before my state's April Primary ... at which point, my General Election support efforts and vote, is decided.

the

[monicaangela]

59. I vote for Bernie in March!

Let's just say let the best person win. Good luck to both of them, and hopefully we won't have a republican in the White House. I am also hoping we take back the Senate and gain seats in the House during the general.

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. Now, here, we agree ...

I am also hoping we take back the Senate and gain seats in the House during the general.

I am already volunteering on a campaign to flip a House seat ... it'll be a long shoot, but there is a lot of energy among Democrats and a really MEH republican sentiment regarding the republican incumbent.

The toughest hill we are climbing is moving undecideds/non-partisans from the "Democrat = republican" and "everyone says they're both useless" narrative.

[FrenchieCat]

17. This is why I support Hillary....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110744376

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511153695

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110741944

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118738275

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118742421

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110738887

[Kokonoe]

38. Thanks for the reply,

I remember your great posts supporting Obama 2008.
and these are nice posts too. I know that Hillary is the only Democrat that will win, but only against Trump.
I think you may notice that when Hillary gets momentum the establishment (lots of Democratic spinners want the most electable republican) rail against Trump and fawn on Rubio. They do not want Hillary against Trump.

When all is done it will be Sanders and Rubio in the general. (trust me)
I vote for Sanders because of what he will not do. As the President Bernie will say that's enough, and hell no, not any more.
We waited long enough for change, people are ready. I vote for Bernie, a person with good judgment that thinks of all our futures.

I'm not afraid to vote for change, even if we lose. Just like the last election. Change is what we need, not Hillary.

[FrenchieCat]

39. "Even if we lose"....

Last edited Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:15 AM - Edit history (1)

is not part of my vocabulary, fortunately.

I had already predicted that Marco Rubio would be The nominee long ago, way before I wrote the below at the link...
although after that awful debate performance, I updated and took him out of the running.

But I wrote that prior to him being talked about much....

IF you wanted to read something else I wrote in reference to the Republican primaries...Here it is...

Prediction: Who will win the Republican Primaries...it ain't Trump nor Cruz
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110738863

[monicaangela]

44. I read your first article..

well written but a bit outdated. Maybe back in the 20th century some people may have wanted 20 acres and a Mule, today that is just a metaphor. The U.S. has changed in so many ways since the end of slavery it isn't even funny. Let's talk about now:

"The USA is bigger, older, more Hispanic and Asian and less wedded to marriage and traditional families than it was in 1990. It also is less enamored of kids, more embracing of several generations living under one roof, more inclusive of same-sex couples, more cognizant of multiracial identities, more suburban, less rural and leaning more to the South and West.

Results of the 2010 Census have been pouring out all year, an avalanche of statistics detailing the population characteristics of states, counties and cities. But the Census represents more than just a current snapshot.

The end of the first decade of the 21st century marks a turning point in the nation's social, cultural, geographic, racial and ethnic fabric. It's a shift so profound that it reveals an America that seemed unlikely a mere 20 years ago — one that will influence the nation for years to come in everything from who is elected to run the country, states and cities to what type of houses will be built and where."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2011-08-10-census-20-years-change_n.htm

It is for certain you can't have change if you continue to tell people it can't be done before you even get into office and try. We all should understand that. Bernie Sanders is willing to try, and you would stand a better chance of seeing change under his administration than you ever would under another Clinton administration especially since Hillary is literally saying expect nothing but crumbs from the table, change takes time. I believe they said the same thing to MLK when he fought for equal rights and justice for the poor.

[FrenchieCat]

46. Well of course you will do as you please

Based on your experiences and what you know.

I'll do the same, but strategically Sanders is not the person that's going to change everything, or even much if anything.

Folks aren't even showing up to vote for him in a way that would say there's a revolution going on. His whole thesis is based on high voter turnout, which is not happening. It's the Republicans that are coming out en masse! We had a revolution in 2008, and then people dropped the ball. It's their turn now, far as they're concerned, and they want their country back. And if we run someone that most people are not interested in voting for, once the media and the GOP are done with Sanders, it won't be pretty!

I like a lot of Bernie's ideals, I know his spiel as he's been saying the same thing since The 1960s. Would he saying isn't when new! Bernie Sanders is not a candidate of change, although one will come along, probably soon, but until then we have to keep the Supreme Court, otherwise there goes voting rights, civil rights, women's rights, Union rights, any type of affirmative action, healthcare rights, and they'll privatize everything left, including education!

Like I said upthread, if we don't maintain the progress that we've already made, what you will experience is what black people experience right after reconstruction back in the late 1800s.

[SusanCalvin]

3. "want to educate them into doing so"

With, in the majority of cases, all the wrong approaches, IMHO. I've been cringing for months now.

[JI7]

28. It's a case where doing nothing would help more than what they do

[tk2kewl]

4. How can I help?

I am very supportive of BLM and have one more than one occasion tried to pump the brakes for my fellow Bernie supporters.

If as an individual I'm going about it wrong I'm open to criticism.

While I advocate for Bernie on this site, I don't do it in an attempt to change anyone's mind.

[JI7]

29. if that's how it is you aren't the problem

The thing is many black and other minority posters who DON'T support Clinton have said they don't like the way many white people are talking about the black community.

They may not support Clinton themselves but they don't think their people are idiots who need white people to teach them.

[tk2kewl]

30. thanks, i try to ask questions not give suggestions

i would like to engage and gain a better understanding the issues as seen from different perspectives, so if you see me in a thread please consider me receptive.

[Digital Puppy]

41. +1000!!!

Thank you!!

Of course they will not listen though and will continue to preach and 'splain.

[KT2000]

5. Please - such a broad brush statement

I have not been partaking of the Hillary/Bernie wars on this site so I won't address that part. But I do take issue with the sentence "White people of both political persuasions..." because it is too much of a broad brush statement.

There are white people who came up during the civil rights era who have the concerns for "justice for all" (and by that I mean racial equality) embedded in their DNA. In case you are younger you should know that it was an intense time for learning, listening and acting upon our beliefs for justice. Those experiences do not evaporate but become part of who we are for our lifetime.
I am probably not explaining this very well but I hope none of us define others based on the color of their skin - no matter the color.

[SusanCalvin]

14. OK, so that particular sentence didn't say "most."

I'm white and I'm not offended - I know what I've seen here. I may even have done it myself, though I try not to.

[ymetca]

7. If any lives mattered

who didn't have money, I'd tend to agree. The color of your skin is a mere convenience of oppression. A marketing tool for "brand loyalty".

We are never taught in school that the first slaves in the colonies were the Irish. But when they started to run away, to hide and blend in, the rich sought prey they could more easily keep track of.

When I heard Bernie speak about his faith it sounded familiar to me --where have I heard this before? The last so-called "political" person I remember talking this way was Martin Luther King Jr.

The question is --is Bernie that clever? Or is he sincere?

My own feeling is that whomever becomes president we are all bound to disappointment. Why? Because we are all still bound to money. And money is the tool that has always been used to enslave us.

And we all know what happened to the last person who tried to throw the money-lenders out.

And also to the one who called for Justice and Peace, regardless of one's skin color.

[SusanCalvin]

12. I was interested in the "Irish slaves" assertion, so I did a Google.

(Note I didn't say "research" - I'm going with the first-page result that seems most likely to be factual, not betting my life on it.)

Interesting read:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/09/slavery_myths_seven_lies_half_truths_and_irrelevancies_people_trot_out_about.html

[Number23]

8. If they cut the bullshit, then what will they have to talk about???

[kwassa]

9. DU would collapse in a day.

[Number23]

10. More like 18 minutes...

[JustAnotherGen]

23. Plus a trillion !!!

[Chitown Kev]

16. +10

well, there's always dogshit...

[brer cat]

26. Are you expressing an opinion that we are going to the dogs

or are you advocating for more diversity in the shit in these threads?

[Chitown Kev]

31. We can have a diversity of shit

after all, it was pigshit that supplied the energy of Thunderdome...and as the FABULOUS Aunty Entity asked, "You know how to shovel shit, don't you?"

[brer cat]

32. Adding diversity could possibly improve the discourse

especially since chickenshit has been piling up here. Just know that I am not shoveling.

[xfundy]

15. NO.

This is a false assertion. Some of us (people) realize that we are all the same and worthy of equality. Some of us don't give a shit who's lighter or darker.

[Ned_Devine]

18. You don't speak for me

And I also don't buy your post script, but what do I know? I don't speak for you either.

[erlewyne]

25. I never heard of BLM until recently.

Now I like them and I am sure they know
who to vote for.

Thanks randys 1.

I hope everyone votes!!!

[MisterP]

27. BLM's been going after Clinton since shortly after Netroots Nation--at least two

made national news when she told them "then I will only talk to white people about the very real problems" (August) and had them dragged out at another (October)

BLM refused to let itself be exploited against Sanders and in fact quickly found him very cooperative and collaborative, whereas BLM still finds itself having to disrupt Clinton events; now we're not supposed to notice that little fact because it might possibly conceivably help Sanders? is there such a thing as TOO much attention to the facts and record?

and saying that DU's never spent time on Black and minority issues in and of themselves? DU?!

nice little Morton’s fork there—in August it was “listen to BLM! Sanders supporters are gentle racists!” nowadays it’s “stop caring about BLM so much! Sanders supporters are gentle racists!”

[Ned_Devine]

33. This response needs a "rec" button

[Lazy Daisy]

34. I'm not one to alert

But I sure as hell almost alerted on this one. Are you kidding me? The OP is sooo over the top offensive and divisive.

This OP is such trash, where do I begin?

When BLM marches first started there were plenty of White, Asian, Latino, Middle Eastern, etc faces in those crowds.
We AS A COUNTRY are god damned sick and tired of our people getting gunned down in the streets.

In Seattle, those young women who jumped on stage to bring this to the table of conversation.... bring it. Drag those demons out where everyone can see. Yell it from the rooftops. This has got to stop. People are dying, being treated as less than human. Show the world the evil that is going on in our country. The only way to bring atrocities to light is to be disruptive, you can't politely tap someone on the shoulder and meekly ask if you can tell them about it. When one of them got in Bernie's face, screaming at him an inch or less from his face that's the moment she lost. That hostility, that violence is where it went wrong.

Why is it a couple black women get boo'd on stage at Bernie's rally and everyone there is racist but a black woman gets boo'd at a Hillary rally and that black woman is the problem?

Hillary has pushed this from the beginning. She and her campaign have pushed this racial divide from the beginning, just like she tried to do last time.

White people don't care about POC or their issues? My god, that statement is sickening.

This whole "educate" thing is full of shit too. I don't give a rats ass what your race, religion, sexual orientation or anything else is when it comes to promoting who I think will make a better candidate. Are they beneath me somehow that I shouldn't talk to them? That I shouldn't show them what my candidate has to offer? Yeah, some people don't do well communicating with others and may come off badly, but do you know for sure that's not how they talk to everybody? OK there are some people who are just dicks, does that mean the the candidates message is dickish?

But mostly this OP is a vile piece of trash because the poster seems to think he's the gate keeper of protecting black people from those mean, nasty white people, and in doing so please please please do what I want you to do.
My Uncles, my Aunts, my cousins, my nieces and nephews don't need you or any other person playing that game, and the POC on this board certainly don't need it either. From what I've seen they do a damn fine job of stating their position just fine.

Dafuq outta here with that bullshit.

[Neon Gods]

35. Thank you

I was about to reply, then I saw your reply and I have nothing more to add but my admiration.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

37. The OP is absolutely right! Sanders fanatics demonized BLM! That is the truth. Now all of the sudden

they love BLM activists...wait for it...ONLY because they're going after HRC (and they should, by the way).

The hypocrisy is very apparent!

I'm with randys1 completely! I call BULLSHIT!

[Lazy Daisy]

40. Sorry to see you're with him completely

If you had stopped at the line before I would agree that some supporters were over the top with their demonazation of BLM. While getting all "hurt" that someone picked on their candidate they lashed out in hateful ways, doing themselves no good. But the presentation of that OP is trash. All white people don't care about POC? Trash. Just admit to black folks that we're bad, nasty white folks and they'll do as we say? Trash.


We see the same going on now that Hillary is the subject of attention. Yeah, hypocrisy runs deep in us humans.

[Merryland]

51. I take offense at that too.

I care about racism & want it to end. I want all people to have compassion for all other people.

[Coolest Ranger]

63. If you care so much

stop trashing posts like this, listen and maybe you might can understand why so many of us are reacting the way we are. Randy is good people on here and I'm tired of folks who talk down to us thinking they are better than we are

[JustAnotherGen]

62. Please Put the OP Poster on ignore and trash the thread

Too much snark and anger and as you stated - in your opinion. - trash.

Thanks,

Group Host

***************

But I sure as hell almost alerted on this one. Are you kidding me? The OP is sooo over the top offensive and divisive.

This OP is such trash, where do I begin?

When BLM marches first started there were plenty of White, Asian, Latino, Middle Eastern, etc faces in those crowds.
We AS A COUNTRY are god damned sick and tired of our people getting gunned down in the streets.

In Seattle, those young women who jumped on stage to bring this to the table of conversation.... bring it. Drag those demons out where everyone can see. Yell it from the rooftops. This has got to stop. People are dying, being treated as less than human. Show the world the evil that is going on in our country. The only way to bring atrocities to light is to be disruptive, you can't politely tap someone on the shoulder and meekly ask if you can tell them about it. When one of them got in Bernie's face, screaming at him an inch or less from his face that's the moment she lost. That hostility, that violence is where it went wrong.

Why is it a couple black women get boo'd on stage at Bernie's rally and everyone there is racist but a black woman gets boo'd at a Hillary rally and that black woman is the problem?

Hillary has pushed this from the beginning. She and her campaign have pushed this racial divide from the beginning, just like she tried to do last time.

White people don't care about POC or their issues? My god, that statement is sickening.

This whole "educate" thing is full of shit too. I don't give a rats ass what your race, religion, sexual orientation or anything else is when it comes to promoting who I think will make a better candidate. Are they beneath me somehow that I shouldn't talk to them? That I shouldn't show them what my candidate has to offer? Yeah, some people don't do well communicating with others and may come off badly, but do you know for sure that's not how they talk to everybody? OK there are some people who are just dicks, does that mean the the candidates message is dickish?

But mostly this OP is a vile piece of trash because the poster seems to think he's the gate keeper of protecting black people from those mean, nasty white people, and in doing so please please please do what I want you to do.
My Uncles, my Aunts, my cousins, my nieces and nephews don't need you or any other person playing that game, and the POC on this board certainly don't need it either. From what I've seen they do a damn fine job of stating their position just fine.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. Your p.s. is where I was, but...

...I'm no longer there. I believe that there are valid reasons for why a good number of the black electorate is sticking with Hillary.

Capehart's amazingly brilliant piece:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-black-voters-remain-in-hillary-clintons-corner/2016/02/25/7a86100a-da7d-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html

[randys1]

54. I am amazed at how many people argue with my OP, it cant be more true, what I said.

[Coolest Ranger]

57. I admire your passion brother randy

You going to always be my boy on here. But let's face it. Bernie is an unknown to the African American community. Bernie has not been telling us things that is going to help our community and if I can interject some cold hard truth, the more his supporters disrespect and silence us the more we are not willing to vote for him.

[randys1]

58. EXACTLY what I have been saying. The behavior of those folks who disrespect

you is getting to be a serious problem, too.

It tells me that while Bernie would be who I think he would be in office, I think, the pressure on him would be coming from an agenda you and I may not be crazy about.

if you get my drifting

[BlueMTexpat]

60. This ...

White people of both political persuasions dont spend much time, if any, caring about POC unless it is part of some bigger issue.

I call b***s*** on that as a generalization. I care about ALL people and always have and many are like me. If there is any bigger issue for me personally, it is because POC, Latinos, Asian Americans, Rom, Native Americans, Arab Americans (both Christian and Muslim), Jewish Americans, Indian (as in SE Asia) Americans, lesbians, gays, transgenders and just about any other group you can think of actually form parts of and are included within my extended family.

That's what happens when your mother had six sisters and two brothers, your father had two sisters and two brothers, and their numerous progeny fell in love with people of different backgrounds, religions, and ethnicities - and then increased and multiplied.

I like to believe that we represent the wonderfully incredible mosaic of peoples that exists in America and that someday will be the norm, not the exception.

[mhatrw]

64. It's the same for both Clinton's and Sanders' white supporters.

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As a collective, both Clinton's and Sanders' white supporters have a lot to learn about white privilege and racial issues in general. And neither group is all that eager to do anything but pay lip service to the need for this discussion.

And it's far worse for the often proudly and openly racist white supporters of Repuke candidates.

[DemonGoddess]

68. ^^^This

I'll say something as a mostly white woman (1/4 Filipino, so no, not all white )

Growing up in a WASP neighborhood, I can remember as a little kid, having parents not wanting their children to play with my siblings and I, because we were dark.

I can also remember people who didn't give a rat's ass about that, and liked our family anyway, as well as the one Mexican family in the entire neighborhood. There was a large portion, however, that disliked both families because we were brown. Bear in mind this was the '60's, so at least things have improved greatly on that end in my old neighborhood.

Thing is, a white person is not going to understand what it means to be a person of ANY color other than white. Nor are many of them particularly interested in understanding what it means. Or how it affects people, in the discrimination that is faced each and every day, of varying degrees.

Racism is a terrible thing. Period.