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The SEC is back in it! (Original Post) Carnage251 Nov 2012 OP
Ugh caraher Nov 2012 #1
I only root for Alabama, I don't really push for the conference Carnage251 Nov 2012 #2
I think I'm also just still irked by Brent Musberger caraher Nov 2012 #3
Yeah, God forbid any other team from a different conference with one loss joeybee12 Nov 2012 #4
Not that they don't have a chance GaYellowDawg Nov 2012 #7
I remeber that game...ugh! joeybee12 Nov 2012 #12
Just swell Upton Nov 2012 #5
Wrong, Upton. GaYellowDawg Nov 2012 #8
Why just Oregon? JonLP24 Nov 2012 #9
To be honest GaYellowDawg Nov 2012 #10
Kansas is horrible JonLP24 Nov 2012 #11
One thing to consider GaYellowDawg Nov 2012 #13
My issue w/ A&M isn't Manziel JonLP24 Nov 2012 #15
Correction: GaYellowDawg Nov 2012 #6
Oh great. Iggo Nov 2012 #14

caraher

(6,279 posts)
1. Ugh
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:43 AM
Nov 2012

How about just amazing, crazy football today? Not only the Baylor shocker, Stanford gutting one out against the Ducks, but Ohio State escaping Wisconsin...

I get so sick of all the this conference, that conference stuff... root for your school, sure, and against the ones you don't like.

Frankly, by the time they get around to the BCS bowl on some random weeknight I'm pretty much done watching college football for the season anyway. Especially when it's an SEC rematch game (not to say those haven't been worthy teams, but I've seen enough Nick Saban and Les Miles to last me a very, very long time...)

Carnage251

(562 posts)
2. I only root for Alabama, I don't really push for the conference
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:52 AM
Nov 2012

But after seeing people on here elated after the Texas A&M loss, I had to do it.
Also there won't be an sec rematch this year.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
3. I think I'm also just still irked by Brent Musberger
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:59 AM
Nov 2012

The kid from Stanford is lining up to try to win the game for his team... making the FG gives them a shot at the conference crown as well as the thrill of knocking off an undefeated team already penciled in for the BCS championship game... and all Brent can talk about is how excited fans, especially in Alabama (and Georgia) will be if he makes it. None of that has anything to do with what anyone on the field really cares about at that moment.

Just call the damned game we're watching, Brent. Anybody who cares about the game for BCS reasons knows the implications already, and anybody who doesn't really couldn't care less which fans of which other teams would like to see which team win.

Save all the "BCS implications" chatter for halftime and the "SportsCenter"-style yakfests. You'd think there wasn't enough action on the field to fill the time!

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
4. Yeah, God forbid any other team from a different conference with one loss
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:12 AM
Nov 2012

has a chance...what a ridiculous bias.

America's Team is now #1!

GaYellowDawg

(4,449 posts)
7. Not that they don't have a chance
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:57 AM
Nov 2012

But you have to look at how the BCS math works out.

If Georgia wins the SEC Championship Game, they will have a very late victory over the #2 team. If Alabama wins the SEC Championship Game, they will have a very late victory over the #3 team. This assumes that Georgia beats 6-5 Georgia Tech at home (and the Dawgs have beaten the nerds 3 in a row and 10/11) and that Alabama beats a 3-8 Auburn team (also 0-7 SEC).

Outside of a tremendous upset, could Oregon or Kansas State move ahead of Georgia or Alabama next week? I can only think of one possibility - if Georgia really struggles with Tech and Oregon annihilates Oregon State. That could flip-flop Georgia and Oregon, but there's no way that Georgia wouldn't move up to #2 with a win over Alabama.

Even as a Georgia fan, I wouldn't have been surprised or angry if Oregon had stayed ahead of us. Now, Kansas State? They got blasted by a Baylor team that was 4-5 coming into that game. You have to take a significant penalty for that one. Oregon? That one's tougher; Stanford is a good team and Oregon lost to them in OT. I think it was the fact that Oregon's offense went dead in the face of the first good defense they played, but I wouldn't have found it unreasonable to find Oregon #3 in all the polls, including the BCS.

Problem for Oregon is that Stanford, with a win over UCLA, can go to the PAC-10 championship game and shut Oregon out of it. A win over Oregon State will be a quality win, but I think Oregon would need 2 convincing wins to make it to the national championship game, given their spot in the BCS poll. I figure the only thing putting Oregon in the national championship game would be for Georgia to lose to Georgia Tech and then beat Alabama.

Don't plan on Georgia losing to Tech. Georgia Tech has that weird triple option offense, but Georgia, this past week, played Georgia Southern, who runs exactly the same offense, and held them to 100 yards under their average rushing total. For perspective, Georgia held GSU to 14 points, and that's the first time that GSU has been held under 20 points against 1-A competition since 1996. We're talking about essentially the same GSU team that rolled up 21 points and 375 rushing yards against Alabama last year. GSU was held to about 200 yards rushing against UGA until the second teamers came in. So the Dawgs have had a full-speed scrimmage against that offense and have a game tape to study.

As far as Georgia-Alabama goes, I'm hoping to really get in there and go toe-to-toe with them. Our defense has finally arrived; we've held 3 SEC opponents in a row to less than 80 yards rushing, and our offense is one of the most balanced and productive in the nation. We have 2 true freshman running backs who have a combined 1700 yards, including over 1000 by the main workhorse. Our quarterback leads the nation in quarterback rating, we have the best set of receivers in the conference and perhaps the nation, and our special teams have finally straightened out. We are peaking at the right time, just like in 2007, but the difference is that we can go the SEC Championship game and punch our ticket to the big one. Couldn't play a tougher opponent - I still think that Alabama is a tougher team than Notre Dame, Oregon, or KSU - but if we get by that one, we deserve to play Notre Dame.

By the way, our only national championship in the modern era was won against... you know it, Notre Dame, in 1980.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
12. I remeber that game...ugh!
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:04 PM
Nov 2012

I tend to think Bama is not the powerhouse the writers think they are...it would not surprise me to see them lose to you. Right now, all I care about is USC...let's win that and then wonder/worry about what's next.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
5. Just swell
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:19 AM
Nov 2012

normally I support the SEC, used to feel it was the best conference in the US (not so sure anymore), but Alabama has about as much imagination on offense as a piece of cardboard. In fact, the whole SEC is QB challenged....and the one top QB in the conference beat Alabama on their home field.

GaYellowDawg

(4,449 posts)
8. Wrong, Upton.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:11 AM
Nov 2012

The whole SEC isn't QB challenged.

Georgia has Aaron Murray, who is #1 in pass efficiency. 64% pass completion, 3,068 yards, 29 TDs, against the toughest defensive league in the nation. And he's not just reliant on one receiver; he's thrown TDs to 7 different receivers, and has adjusted to losing 2 starting receivers to season-ending injuries. He would probably have much higher numbers, except that Georgia also runs for almost 200 yards a game. Murray would start for any Big Ten team except Ohio State, and any PAC-12 team with the possible exception of Oregon. The only reason he won't be going in the first round of the NFL draft in the spring is because he's 5'11.

And who's a better conference? Does any other conference have six teams as good as Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Texas A&M, and South Carolina? I think NOT. The Big Ten has Ohio State, and then a steep dropoff to Nebraska. Everyone else is just decent. The PAC-12 has Oregon and Stanford, then a steep dropoff to Oregon State and UCLA. The Big 12 has Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas... then the dropoff. The ACC? Florida State, then Clemson (who struggled with an Auburn team that went winless in the SEC), and not much else. The Big East? ROTFLOL.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. Why just Oregon?
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:09 PM
Nov 2012

Barkley, Kelly, and Hundley are in the top 20 in pass officiency. You can make a case Murray is better than all of them and should start but you can make that case for any team in the nation including Oregon. W/ Oregon & Arizona State, it depends how Aaron Murray fits in a run orientated spread offense attack, I'm not sure what Georgia runs but think it's pro.

I strongly feel UCLA & especially Oregon State is not a steep drop-off especially after Stanford. Oregon St led nearly the entire second half on the road against Stanford before Stanford scored the game winning TD w/ 5 minutes left. There other loss was by 3 @ Washington which isn't a bad loss as it was a rivalry game(Washington & Oregon schools have smaller rivalries) and Washington isn't bad.

Oregon blew by Arizona State which has a top 15 defense http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-yards-per-play, in fact their opponent yards per pass attempt average improved after the Oregon game (it was the run D that was absolutely hammered). Very early in the game, one of the nation's best DL Will Sutton broke up Oregon's option & forced a fumble. but he was injured on that play, very next play for Oregon was a 71-yard TD run. Hard to say w/ ASU's 2 best Dlinemen out the game, Oregon's rushing attack would be slowed down, it was clear they lacked depth in that area.

All that said, I agree with most of what you're saying. The SEC is better than the Pac-12, Big Ten, ACC, and Big East. But not the Big-12, top-to-bottom (though SEC defenses are much, much, more superior) http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc12.htm

GaYellowDawg

(4,449 posts)
10. To be honest
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:26 PM
Nov 2012

I would have said there was a steep dropoff after Oregon before last Saturday. I don't place a lot of value in Sagarin's ratings; he's got Florida as the second-best team in the SEC, when right now, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Texas A&M could take them.

I'd feel quite comfortable putting Mississippi State up against Iowa State, Vanderbilt against TCU, probably not Ole Miss against West Virginia, but I'd go with even a bottom feeder like Missouri against Kansas, especially given that Missou has won 5 of their last 6 against Kansas.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. Kansas is horrible
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:47 PM
Nov 2012

They'd probably lose to anybody(a better matchup would probably be Kentucky). West Virginia has one of the nation's worst pass defenses so Ole Miss may have a better shot than you think. I place value in his ratings because they're unbiased and they help me A LOT w/ my picks on sites like SFTC and here. There is something to be said about a conference w/ only 1 team w/ a losing record and these ratings are strictly for at-this-point in time only. A lot can happen from here to the end of the bowls so SEC can rise or fall.

On edit - I disagree on Texas A&M, Florida has a far greater defense than A&M. When they played and after the first half against A&M's QB first college game, they figured him out and held him to roughly 50 total yards in the second half. The other teams listed have very good to great defenses so agree they could probably take them but Florida is no slouch.

GaYellowDawg

(4,449 posts)
13. One thing to consider
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:01 PM
Nov 2012

It was Manziel's first game, and he's gotten a lot better! That's why I'd think A&M would take Florida. As for the other teams listed, well, Georgia already took Florida and I think LSU would win the rematch. I'm telling you, Florida is playing flat awful right now. Louisiana-Lafayette had them on the ropes and choked. The Gators haven't been the same since my Dawgs put a hurting on them.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
15. My issue w/ A&M isn't Manziel
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:40 PM
Nov 2012

He is clearly great. One clear example of a serious flaw is their game against Louisiana Tech. My issue isn't w/ Louisiana Tech, they're actually quite good, it is that they gave up 57 points and 615 total yards. They also nearly coughed up a 27 point lead. They don't have a good defense.

When I say "who would win", I'm giving my prediction on who would win the most games out of 1,000 match-ups. If the best team always won then we would have a 19-0 team in the NFL every year. Texas A&M can win against Florida but I think Florida would win most match-ups because of they have one of the nation's best defenses. They did beat Alabama but I think if A&M & Alabama played each other 1,000 times, Alabama would win over 700 times. I severely downgrade teams w/ soft defenses like A&M.

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