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Well, it appears the Cheatriots are going to win. So congrats... (Original Post) madinmaryland Feb 2015 OP
Live win probability favors Seattle JonLP24 Feb 2015 #1
Did you see that catch? JeffHead Feb 2015 #2
Well it is now nt JeffHead Feb 2015 #3
how the fuck do you call that play? frylock Feb 2015 #4
What kind of a STUPID fucking jackass, called that play?!?! SoapBox Feb 2015 #5
And a brawl? SoapBox Feb 2015 #6
Darrell Bevall most likely JonLP24 Feb 2015 #7
I am not an expert and I don't even follow (closely) NFL... SoapBox Feb 2015 #8
First thing that came to my head when I saw the play call & the immediate aftermath JonLP24 Feb 2015 #10
Heck, Wilson could have run it in himself, that's how bonehead it was. R B Garr Feb 2015 #22
The whole play is designed to make the throw within 1-2 seconds of snapping it JonLP24 Feb 2015 #23
Poetic justice Yavin4 Feb 2015 #9
no but the Patriots won! NRaleighLiberal Feb 2015 #11
Yes they did. Sad, isn't it! madinmaryland Feb 2015 #12
I am utterly delighted. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2015 #13
Congrats Patriots on your Super Bowl Win*. trotsky Feb 2015 #14
Good point, because 37-50 passing against hughee99 Feb 2015 #15
Oh c'mon, take off the homer glasses. trotsky Feb 2015 #16
Really, it sounds like you're the one with the glasses on. hughee99 Feb 2015 #17
Which echoes what I said. trotsky Feb 2015 #19
Actually, part of your evidence that he was cheating was that he through a few turds in the SB. hughee99 Feb 2015 #20
Perhaps you can present your statistical analysis of turds and prove me wrong. trotsky Feb 2015 #21
37/50 trumad Feb 2015 #18

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
5. What kind of a STUPID fucking jackass, called that play?!?!
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 11:04 PM
Feb 2015

AND now, the flag?!?

Well SEA, you fucked yourselves.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. Darrell Bevall most likely
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 11:06 PM
Feb 2015

Pete Carroll is a defensive coach so unlikely he made the call and if he suggested it, bonehead move by Bevall to run it.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
8. I am not an expert and I don't even follow (closely) NFL...
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 11:09 PM
Feb 2015

But that will have to go down in history as one of the dumbest things...ever.

Stunning.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
10. First thing that came to my head when I saw the play call & the immediate aftermath
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 11:15 PM
Feb 2015


Difference is they had 51 seconds & an 83% chance of winning--3 straight runs or a bootleg.

The same site did a probability by play, that Harrison interception had the biggest change in probability swings of the whole game which featured a go ahead Fitzgerald TD & a game winning catch by Santonio Holmes

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
22. Heck, Wilson could have run it in himself, that's how bonehead it was.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:48 PM
Feb 2015

The Monday morning guys critiquing it are brutal, as they should be

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
23. The whole play is designed to make the throw within 1-2 seconds of snapping it
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:11 PM
Feb 2015

and delivering the quick strike on the quick slant. Just the worst kind of play call that was made but that type of play call is made quite a bit by most teams near the goalline -- the problem is if the defense reads & the Pats defender made an excellent play. I could watch it over and given the play call it was the right decision, you see what Wilson sees and the play-call is designed for the quick strike, throws in stride & the Pats defender behind grabs the ball inches before the receivers hands touches it.

Just the play call was way too risky given the circumstances. I'd support a bootleg, pass play designed to see the play fully develop. Not a big fan of the rollout since it condenses an already condensed area & the defense rolls with you but it allows you to throw it away if the throw isn't there.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
14. Congrats Patriots on your Super Bowl Win*.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 09:14 AM
Feb 2015

It was interesting to see the difficulty Tom Brady had in throwing and completing some passes when he had to use properly inflated footballs. Slipped out of his hand wrong, wobbly, etc.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
15. Good point, because 37-50 passing against
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:51 AM
Feb 2015

the best defense in football sounds like he had a lot of issues with proper inflation... And Russell Wilson was his usual accurate self so you can see that this was only an issue for Brady. Well at least with the ball inflated properly, you had a lot more fumbles.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
16. Oh c'mon, take off the homer glasses.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:52 AM
Feb 2015

Several bad passes, clanging to the turf. Wobbly balls that receivers had to make the play on. There's a reason he prefers to break the rules with under-inflated footballs. It's idiotic, he's still a great QB, but he cheats to get a further edge. Considering that the Pats have been cheating for several years now, how many more victories did it translate to? Did they really earn homefield advantage? Would they have made it to the SB without that?

(The under-inflation to prevent fumbles is far more of an issue in poor weather games. One essentially indoor game doesn't give you any statistical information to overturn the mountain of statistical proof that the Cheatriots did something to their footballs starting in 2007.)

Still, congrats on the win*!

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
17. Really, it sounds like you're the one with the glasses on.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:58 AM
Feb 2015

Brady was largely very accurate. Yes, he threw a few turds as well (for regular Pats watchers, you see those during regular season games as well, which shouldn't happen, because he's cheating). Wilson had a bad game too, which is weird because this issue was ONLY supposed to affect Brady. I'm not quite sure how you explain that.

I don't think your grapes are any good anymore, you may need to get some new ones.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
19. Which echoes what I said.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:26 PM
Feb 2015

He's a great QB even without cheating. But he cheated to get an extra edge. (FWIW, I had no dog in this hunt, I'm not a Seachickens fan either, and quite frankly I think Pete Carroll is a bigger turd than Belicheat for the mess he left at USC.)

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
20. Actually, part of your evidence that he was cheating was that he through a few turds in the SB.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:35 PM
Feb 2015

The problem with that argument is that 1) both QB's threw some turds in the playoffs and 2) Brady didn't throw more turds than he usually throws in a regular season game, when he's supposed to be cheating. What you site as evidence, quite literally, not only doesn't prove anything, it doesn't even hint at what you seem to think it does.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
21. Perhaps you can present your statistical analysis of turds and prove me wrong.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:39 PM
Feb 2015

But at any rate, enjoy the win*!

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
18. 37/50
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:14 PM
Feb 2015

I've watched football for 50 years. 50

37 completions out of 50 is considered outstanding---more than outstanding.

For you to diss Brady's performance in last nights game has me a bit concerned that you have a substance abuse problem.

Kidding of course.

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