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Related: About this forumPenn Jillette receives death threats because of atheist views
In an interview with Seven magazine, Penn said I think that 9/11 made a lot of atheists more vocal. A lot of us Just took that as a sign of how dangerous it was to be quiet at all. I dont think anybody became an atheist because of that event. But a lot of people who were atheist decided to shut up less about it. But Ive been an outspoken atheist for 40 years. "
He joked about comparing death threats with Richard Dawkins and South Park creator Trey Parker. Penn continues on with the interview saying the death threats he receives are from mentally ill people, who may also happen to be religious.
He said And all of a sudden it came to me that we werent really talking about religion at all. We were talking about mentally ill people we happen to label in a certain way. And the number are so, so, so small yeah, once in a while the police are called on someone whos written something that crosses a line, and thats sad and that person could just as easily be an atheist, or anything. You can talk all you want about the violent imagery of religion but its not the violent imagery of religion thats making people send out death threats. Its a mental illness."
http://www.goddiscussion.com/115235/penn-jillette-receives-death-threats-because-of-atheist-views/
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)These are not rational people, they value their gods above people.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)"blame the victim" to excuse the behavior of their compatriots, I'm sure they will flood this thread soon enough. We are responsible for the shit that falls on us, I guess because we are atheists or something. I was just told that myself.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Penn continues on with the interview saying the death threats he receives are from mentally ill people, who may also happen to be
religious.
He said And all of a sudden it came to me that we werent really talking about religion at all. We were talking about mentally ill people we happen to label in a certain way. And the number are so, so, so small
yeah, once in a while the police are called on someone whos written something that crosses a line, and thats sad and that person could just as easily be an atheist, or anything. You can talk all you want about the violent imagery of religion but its not the violent imagery of religion thats making people send out death threats. Its a mental illness."
okasha
(11,573 posts)will recall those comments the next time he dredges up a story about exorcism or the murder of a child by a psychatrically ill parent.
But I doubt it.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)except when it comes to challenging their religious beliefs, then they fly off the handle. Are they all mentally ill? If so, that's a significant fraction of religious people, not sure how many, but not a miniscule amount.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Anger does not equal schizophrenia. Even most nonmedics can tell the difference.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)or even to carry out violence.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Or did you mean "telling the difference" between something other than normal anger and psychatric illness?
Frankly, if you "challenge" people face to face with the hostility you show to posters here, you're likely to get the same served up to you.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)But I doubt it.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)how very neuro-typical.
okasha
(11,573 posts)erroneous and irrelevant your comment is.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)and you need to stop. This whole notion of "Oh, they did it because of their illness" is complete BS. People with mental illness are actually far less likely to do commit violent crimes than non mentally ill ( http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php ) and are, in fact, far more likely to be on the receiving end of violence.
Claiming that someone committed a crime because of an illness is shameful. You are A)covering for the person who committed a crime. B) further stigmatizing an already shunned group making people who need help less likely to seek it out, or receive it when they do. C) Joining in the camp of people who treat mental illness as a punishment, anti-vaxers, religious fundies, etc, as using people with a disease as props for their cause instead of treating them like people.
okasha
(11,573 posts)[NT
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)No, the facts are that it's usually not the mentally ill that commit violent crimes, but that's inconvenient for you. and not inconvenient in the way you believers use it to admonish atheists (The pope said something good, I guess that's too inconvenient for you to acknowledge) but real inconvenient, like Al Gore inconvenient because it undermines your whole position and you have to go on ad hominins because your position is not only false, but you are actively and, now that I've informed you, intentionally hurting people should you continue to do so.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)excuses are made for why it isn't religion to blame. Just the good stuff, that is what religion is responsible for.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I should think not.
Every year, thousands of not-mentally-ill people commit murder. Violent behavior and expression is not indicative of mental illness, no matter what Penn Jillette thinks.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Uben
(7,719 posts)...if the mythical being in the sky existed, but, he doesn't, so Penn has nothing to worry about. After 40 yrs, I think he's safe, but there are religious crazies out there and who knows what they are capable of.