Global warming, religion, and secular science - edited

[Cartoonist]

Last edited Sat Nov 1, 2014, 11:55 PM - Edit history (2)

File is too big. It loaded the first time, but no more.

I guess coyote is going to miss out.

[NYC_SKP]

1. Sea Levels Rising, Humans Punished for Despoiling God's Good Work.

And for playing with science to try to become Gods themselves.

Is that what you're trying to say with this old comic page?

A 1945 cartoon and a subject line, I don't get it.

[rug]

2. It's not loading for me.

Thank God.

[okasha]

3. Nor for me.

Thank Coyote.

[rug]

4. i may ask you to invite Coyote in here more frequently.

[NYC_SKP]

6. This is it, from Frankenstein Friday comics.

Frankenstein Friday: Frankenstein's Ark

This is the third and final story from Frankenstein #2, written and drawn by Dick Briefer, published in 1945.

[Cartoonist]

7. Thanks

Not much, I agree. Just thought it was humorous. No point being made.

I'm guessing my image was too big, though it did load for me the first time.

[rug]

8. I see.

[cbayer]

19. What? This was the OP? I don't get it at all.

[NYC_SKP]

22. Yeah.

The subject line, "Global warming, religion, and secular science", and the pic I posted but from a different source. It showed up fine when I replied and went looking for the source.

Only the OP can answer for what purpose the post was made.

I suppose the ark is obvious, and there may be some who deny climate change on religious grounds, but that's new to me.

Certainly some evangelicals deny science, so I guess climate change is science so you got that angle.

And Frankenstein is a classic Man Playing Creator trope, and "creator", well.

I kind of like the toon, his big body and tiny head, and always getting into trouble!

Check it out! http://pappysgoldenage.blogspot.com/2006/10/number-45-frankenstein-friday.html

[cbayer]

23. Thanks for the info. I'm too busy yachting about and destroying the environment

to really pay much attention to this. But I may have one of my servants read it for me and give me a synopsis.

Life can be so difficult.

[NYC_SKP]

30. Well, at least we know that you've set the thermostat in your 4,200 sf main home to 68º !

I mean the La Jolla place.

Your Tahoe place needs some heat, I realize that, and a toasty 75º is quite reasonable.

We don't want Manual and Josephina to freeze.

Somebody's got to groom the critters and polish the silver!

[cbayer]

33. I think about half of this shit comes from some disturbed need to

demonize me and the other half from envy.

[NYC_SKP]

34. I get that too! I'm a bad man for saving all my life and buying a 450 square foot condo.

With an ocean view, that I have to rent out until I can sell the home I've been paying into for 20 years that's nearly under water.

Me: landlord, bad!

Snobbish, me and my spotting humpbacks from the coffee table and swimming with a couple seals. (thanks, btw, for the warning about that)

And you, and your yacht and probably also exploiting sea mammals.

Wanna come for thanksgiving?

We're roasting a narwhal.

Fuck Yeah!

[cbayer]

35. No, I will be hunting the migrating whales at that time.

Not for any reason other than sport, because that's a part of what we yachting about people do.

Well, that and looking down their noses at the proletariats who bear the brunt of the bourgeois. Or is that plutocrats we look down on. I'm never quite sure.

I will ask my handmaiden when she is finished personally removing all the sewage from my toilet and dumping it into the harbor.

[rug]

37. It wouldn't be so bad if you'd stop throwing your caviar jars over the side.

[cbayer]

40. I don't just throw them over, I try to hit egrets with them.

[rug]

41. !

[okasha]

9. I have a friend who has a very strong affinity for Coyote.

Here is his invocation in response to annoying people:

"Lift up your leg, O Lord Coyote, and rain your wrath down upon them!".

This should be pronounced with right hand raised high, head bowed and (if possible) jowls quivering.

[rug]

10. Lol, I may have found a new avatar.

[okasha]

11. Perfect!

[Cartoonist]

13. Scatological humor

The lowest rung on the comedy ladder. Surprising, coming from the teacher who holds her nose above her head.

[okasha]

42. You need an anatomy course.

[Cartoonist]

43. You need to consult an online dictionary

English definition of “nose in the air”
nose in the air
Describes the way someone behaves when they think they are better than other people and do not want to speak to them: She walked past me with her nose in the air.

[okasha]

44. Or a life drawing class.

Next time I see someone with his/her nose floating above his/her head, I shall think of you fondly.

[Cartoonist]

45. You think of others?

I got the impression you only think of yourself.

[mr blur]

17. No you don't, we've noticed that.

Never mind, keep trying.

[beam me up scottie]

12. It's okay.

You gave the kids a place to play until their new pony, oops, I mean their new group gets here.

They've had a rough day.

Repost when you can.

[littlemissmartypants]

14. Did someone say "pony"

???

[beam me up scottie]

15. The mean kids in this thread are the ones who complain about mean kids in this forum

It's a long story but it reminds me of a mean kid who had a fit because none of the other kids would come over to her house.

She thought it was because she didn't have a pony.

[littlemissmartypants]

16. I don't intentionally play with mean kids. nt

[cbayer]

18. Evangelical Climate Initiative - this should load just fine, but it's not a cartoon.

http://www.npr.org/documents/2006/feb/evangelical/calltoaction.pdf

What are you doing about climate change?

[Cartoonist]

20. What am I doing about climate change?

I ride my bicycle to the library.
I bring my own shopping bags.
I recycle.
I vote against republicans.
Most importantly, I refrain from such bourgeois activities that waste our resources like yachting about.

[cbayer]

21. Yachting about?

I guarantee you that my carbon footprint is a mere fraction of yours.

What do you imagine yachting about is actually about? And since you obviously don't know, I would be glad to share with you what it is actually about if you are interested.

BTW, I do all the things you do and much, much more, so if you want to get into a pissing contest, be prepared.

[Cartoonist]

24. Yachting about, definition

Engaging in unneccessary activities like pleasure cruising, dumping human waste in waterways, looking down their noses at the proletariats who bear the brunt of the bourgeois.

[cbayer]

25. Since that is not what I do, you are completely off base.

Like I said, if you want to know, all you have to do is ask.

Or you and your buddies can continue with your complete pack of false beliefs because it suits your agenda.

It's up to you, I guess.

BTW, is that an official definition or one that you made up? At any rate, I can't wait to share it with the people in my community. It will elicit a tremendous laugh. Thanks, Cartoonist!

[Cartoonist]

26. I am sure they will

I used the wrong word in my definition so I edited my previous post. Since you feel this does not describe you, then you have nothing to be bitter about.

[cbayer]

27. Bitter? I couldn't be less bitter.

And since it doesn't describe me, I will ask that you no longer use it to describe me whether talking to me directly or behind my back.

Deal?

[Cartoonist]

28. I will use it as I please

It accurately reflects my opinion of those who waste resources for personal pleasure. This applies to snowmobile riders and NASCAR as well.

Perhaps you can tell us how your boating activities benefit humanity. Do you rescue trapped dolphins? Do you intercede in whaling hunts? Do you transport goods that can't be better handled by professionals? Please tell us how yachting about doesn't leave a carbon footprint.

[cbayer]

31. Use it as you please, just recognize that it is false and I will call you

on it every time you use it to disparage me.

I create my own electricity from the sun, use less water in a month than you probably use in a week, take care of all of my personal waste and travel using the wind. I buy very little other than food, and when I do, I buy locally and from sustainable farms. My carbon footprint is minuscule.

I live and travel in places that are obscure and often impoverished. I try to learn about and support those communities.

I care for wildlife whenever I find it. I am particularly sensitive to marine animals and birds and am exquisitely careful about their environments.

You have a grossly distorted view of who I am and what I do which is a fantasy. And the fact that you hold on to it despite being given information that clearly contradictory may even put it in that favorite category around here of delusion. It fits your narrative and the narrative of the "us" that you refer to, but it is a false belief apparently supported by faith. Almost a religion.

[Cartoonist]

36. Out of the blue

Don't pull that offended BS on me. You brought it on yourself. I just posted a piece of art from an old comic book that I thought was humorous. I thought I would share. I didn't expect a controversy from people with no sense of humor. And then you chime in with: What are you doing about climate change?
WTF?
Really, what brought that on? I'm a responsible citizen who loves this planet. Perhaps you missed my thread on my love of trees. I don't need someone with a feeling of superiority, sitting below deck in her pleasure ship at her solar powered computer accusing me of having a carbon bigfoot.

Your latest post is priceless. Perhaps you can forward it to Pope Francis and apply for sainthood.

[beam me up scottie]

38. Now now.

If you keep upsetting Lovey, Thurston will throw his martini in your face; just watch out so that one of the free trade, organically grown, cruelty free olives they use doesn't put your eye out.

I'm sure the Howells appreciate everything that's done to make them comfortable, expecting them to understand how the other 99% see the world is just too much to ask.


Seriously, don't let it get under your skin, it's just another tactic to get you to post something that will get deleted. They showed their true colours by attacking you just because you tried to post a cartoon that didn't load.


Just think about Thurston and Lovey and how misunderstood and lonely they are.

I almost feel sorry for them.

[NYC_SKP]

46. I know you're confused. Let me help you.

You see, I was the first reply in this thread.

The image loaded, it was fine at first, how else could I have found one just like it?

Nobody attacked the OP, and certainly not for that picture. It was posted and didn't have any text to go with the picture, what's a person to do but guess?

Another thing: This business of Lovey and Thurston. It's juvenile, it's poor behavior, and it's entirely misplaced. In a word, it's an attack.

I sense, when I read such things, that the person who resorts to such attacks is hurting, badly, inside.

If you've been hurt in the past, there's help for you. It can be meditation, medication, or just getting out for a walk.

For some, professional or informal groups can change a person's point of view and become an outlet for pent up anxiety or whatever causes these things.

So, I'm going to hold good thoughts for you, that you stroke a pet and breath deeply, take a walk, or just know that life is beautiful and people aren't out to get you and nobody in this thread is trying to attack the person who posted the cartoon.

And people in this group aren't attacking you, either.

Take care, I can recommend some great books if you are interested in relaxation techniques.

~~~

[beam me up scottie]

47. tl; dr

[cbayer]

39. Oh, please.

You made reference to my lifestyle just as you have in the past in an attempt to disparage me.

Just stop doing it and I will back off from you. It's juvenile and just ridiculing for no reason. So just stop.

But no, you just can't stop, even in this post.

Go take a hike.

[NYC_SKP]

29. The NAE calls it "Creation Care"! Take care of God's creation, Earth.

I ran through your link and checked some of the sources.

None of this is new to me, environmental responsibility was long ago core to the curriculum in most public schools and somehow was removed over time, only to return.

But it was never exclusively left or liberal. Indeed; caring for the planet and all of it's life forms AND respecting them and their habitat is very much encouraged, even required, of the faithful.

In "An Evangelical Call to Civic Responsibility", we find many passages like this:

We labor to protect God’s creation

God gave the care of his earth and its species to our first parents. That responsibility has passed into our hands. We affirm that God-given dominion is a sacred responsibility to steward the earth and not a license to abuse the creation of which we are a part. We are not the owners of creation, but its stewards, summoned by God to “watch over and care for it” (Gen. 2:15). This implies the principle of sustainability: our uses of the Earth must be designed to conserve and renew the Earth rather than to deplete or destroy it.

The Bible teaches us that God is not only redeeming his people, but is also restoring the whole creation (Rom. 8:18-23). Just as we show our love for the Savior by reaching out to the lost, we believe that we show our love for the Creator by caring for his creation.

Because clean air, pure water, and adequate resources are crucial to public health and civic order, government has an obligation to protect its citizens from the effects of environmental degradation. This involves both the urgent need to relieve human suffering caused by bad environmental practice. Because natural systems are extremely complex, human actions can have unexpected side effects. We must therefore approach our stewardship of creation with humility and caution.

Human beings have responsibility for creation in a variety of ways. We urge Christians to shape their personal lives in creation-friendly ways: practicing effective recycling, conserving resources, and experiencing the joy of contact with nature. We urge government to encourage fuel efficiency, reduce pollution, encourage sustainable use of natural resources, and provide for the proper care of wildlife and their natural habitats.

Love this part: "We show our love... by reaching out to the lost."

Reaching out to the lost. I do that a LOT!

[cbayer]

32. It's really wonderful to see some of this groups taking this on as an initiative.

They tend to get very motivated around causes and I sure support them in this one.

The lost? Some can be reached and some can not.

[Warren Stupidity]

48. 78% republican voters.

Whatever this group is doing is irrelevant. The evangelical vote is the core republican base, the vote they can count on in every election. They think catastrophic climate change is propaganda from satan. Instead their god has given them the planet to plunder and pillage its endless bounty.