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Now Fox & Friends Is Upset That Obama Is Quoting ScriptureHours After Attacking The President For Not Expressing His Faith, Fox Attacks Obama For Quoting The Bible
The hosts of Fox & Friends were incensed that President Obama quoted scripture in a primetime address detailing his upcoming executive action on immigration, challenging him to a "scripture-showdown" and claiming it's "repugnant" for Obama to "lecture us on Christian faith." But just 48 hours earlier, the Fox hosts were lamenting that Obama doesn't make public expressions of his Christian faith often enough.
Obama quoted lines from the Bible in a November 20 address, explaining the nation's responsibility to reform unfair immigration enforcement policies. He declared, "Scripture tells us that we shall not oppress a stranger, for we know the heart of a stranger -- we were strangers once, too. My fellow Americans, we are and always will be a nation of immigrants. We were strangers once, too."
His use of scripture did not sit well with the hosts of Fox & Friends the next day. Co-host Tucker Carlson called it "repugnant" and argued, "For this guy specifically, the president who spent his career defending late-term abortion, among other things, lecturing us on Christian faith? That's too much. That is too much." Elisabeth Hasselbeck attempted to rebut the scripture Obama used with scripture of her own, quoting verses from Proverbs and saying she is "going to get into a scripture-showdown." According to Hasselbeck, Obama used the Bible to guilt people into supporting his executive action, and that's "not what the scholars behind the Bible would interpret as proper use, perhaps."
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http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/11/21/now-fox-amp-friends-is-upset-that-obama-is-quot/201665
monmouth4
(9,694 posts)louis-t
(23,292 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)That's why the viewers who watch Fox tune in.
stone space
(6,498 posts)WTF do they expect?
Is he expected to turn his back on his own culture just to satisfy the delicate sensitivities of bigots?
I didn't have any difficulty understanding what he had to say.
And the President's actions combined with his words helped me as an atheist to understand the meaning of the Scriptural passage that he used.
That increased understanding enriches my life as an atheist and my appreciation of religious culture in this country
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)because of separation of church and state not because of whatever racist bullshit Fox News is pushing.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)He didn't mention god or jesus or anything religious at all. He merely quoted a text that he holds in high regard.
I am not comparing you with the fox reporters, but I do think that objections to his doing that are without merit whether one thinks he is too religious or not religious enough.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Scripture also tells us some pretty horrible shit that should never be part of our society.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Which, is actually ok with me, at this point. Why not, I use their book to humiliate them all the time.
niyad
(113,261 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)I wasn't hoping anything.
Since I quoted him and he used the word scripture in his quote and I don't think anyone here is so stupid as to not know what scripture means, the answer to your question is no.
You can relay that to the rest of your group, whoever they may be.
niyad
(113,261 posts)need the laughs.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Where did I say that scripture is not religious? I didn't say that at all.
I said that he didn't mention god or jesus or anything religious at all. Perhaps I was not clear, but what I meant was that he didn't make a specifically religious statement, he quoted from a religious text. Although the quote is from a religious text, if you did not know that, you would have no reason to think it had a religious basis.
In fact, I think he was turning things around on the religious right, and that's ok with me.
Do you have a problem with what he said, or just what I said?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)See my other post in this thread, or your post that started this mess, for where you removed all religious references and clearly claimed that Obama was just quoting "text".
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)You do understand that, don't you? Or are you still playing to the crowd?
Now, let's be honest for a moment, and accept the fact that Obama was doing what any decent atheist would do, exposing the hypocrisy of the Fundies, without resorting to the nastiness they revel in.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)I've so missed your white knight appearances.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Sketchy internet out here on the Ark. Occasionally, I get close enough to land and pick up a connection. Thought I'd drop in to say hi and see if the usual suspects were still running around chasing their tails.
Gotta go now. There's a tide to catch. Be well!
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)"you", but instead of addressing the point being made you went on the attack. Why would you do that?
Well perhaps because this is what you said, not Obama:
He didn't mention god or jesus or anything religious at all. He merely quoted a text that he holds in high regard.
And that is not a statement you actually wanted to defend, so when you were questioned on that statement as part of the give and take of discourse here, instead of responding to the point being made, you opted for "diversion".
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I am interested to 2014, going into 2015.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)even if they did, they wouldn't care.
Their audience lives from sound byte to sound byte. Anything said previously is completely irrelevant.
C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)I have never seen such a despicable assortment of shitheads than the propagandists of Fox News.
dhill926
(16,337 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)I have to be pretty drunk to even put up with Fox for anything other than short bursts.
louis-t
(23,292 posts)they would say "that's right out of the Koran!1!11"
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noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)What kind of peppers do you grow?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)For FAUX, it's ok when a Republican does it.
For many on DU, it's ok when a Democrat does it.
At least my position is consistent.
stone space
(6,498 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)when one opposes the Republicans using religion to justify policy but supports Democrats doing it.
stone space
(6,498 posts)...as inconsistent with opposition to regressive policies.
Seeing those as being in opposition is just silly.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)As is your complete (and evidently intentional) misrepresentation of what I said.
stone space
(6,498 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)while opposing when Republicans use it to justify conservative policy, then YES. As I have now stated multiple times.
stone space
(6,498 posts)...opposing regressive policies is not inconsistent.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)would fight any use of religion as support for a point because they see no worth to religion.
Unless you are using a definition of militant atheist that doesn't mean what the word mean.
stone space
(6,498 posts)...have to apologize, and promise me that you will never use the N-Word with me ever again.
But without an apology and a promise, your posts to me will continue to go unanswered.
It's up to you. I don't care if your "Black friends" gave you permission to call them N-Words or not.
I do know that I did not.
We cannot communicate without some ground rules.
There are lines that will not be crossed again, if you sincerely want me to respond to your posts.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Just so this does not go unchallenged, here is the post in question.
The context is easily understood within the thread. This was a discussion of pejorative language and "reclaimation" and nobody was calling anybody the "n-word".
trotsky
(49,533 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Why should I allow myself to be subjected to this kind of nonsense, even after I asked him to please stop using the N-word with me several times?
What part of "No" don't you understand?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=133761
and just want to run away with your tail between your legs rather than act like a grown up and admit you made a claim that I was a racist that isn't true. Cool. Nice tactic.
Again, all it takes is an apology and a promise never to do it again.
I don't believe that I am being unreasonable here.
When a poster at DU asks others not to use the N-word with them, that request should be respected.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)If anyone should apologize, it's you. You have viciously smeared Goblinmonger for this made-up crime and it needs to stop.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)One where you feel that you have to give lectures constantly so that everyone else knows what you expect of them?
GM never insulted you. Or your wife. Or the goats. Do you think you're the only person in the world married to someone who is a different skin colour from you? Or is religious when you (so you keep insisting and insisting and insisting) are an Atheist (your capital "A" ? You're the one who keeps mentioning her. And the fact that you're an Atheist. And a mathematician. And how infuriated and frustrated everything makes you. And how disappointed you are by other atheists because we're not like you.And how nothing lives up to your standards.
You should calm down. Really. Take a deep breath. Relax.
You're an anonymous person on a community of anonymous people. Sorry to puncture your sense of self-importance but no-one here is out to get you. If you start 'threatening' people and telling them what they can and can't have you'll find quickly that no-one really cares.
There's not much scope for nuance on a public forum; if you say things that make you seem like a troll then people will probably accept you as one.
stone space
(6,498 posts)This is inappropriate.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Look, no -one knew anything about your family until you kept mentioning them. And featuring a prominent picture. Don't you get it? You can't use your wife to make a point (and you have done, repeatedly) and then claim persecution when people react.
This is inappropriate.
Are you a troll? A sock-puppet? No? - then stop acting like one!
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)WTF has she ever done to you?
This is highly inappropriate, and you need to stop now.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You're the one who is using your wife as an object - a trump card - that you are trying to silence others with.
That is highly inappropriate, and you need to stop now.
stone space
(6,498 posts)My wife was brought up out of the blue in this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=166567
WTF does my wife have to do with this thread?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You're the one who rehashed the previous thread, and you were the one in that thread to introduce your wife.
YOU did it. No one else. Your smears and attacks are not helping your cause.
stone space
(6,498 posts)My wife was not even at issue until Mr Blur's post above.
What is your motivation for such blatant lying?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)But calling me a liar doesn't change that I speak the truth. I suggest you refrain from further personal attacks unless you want another post hidden.
stone space
(6,498 posts)You lied, plain and simple.
I posted a link to the post above where Mr. Blur brought up my wife.
You simply lied.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)She was first brought up in #43.
stone space
(6,498 posts)...she probably does need to pray a little harder, but that has nothing to do with this thread.
None of your links are in this thread or in the other thread linked to above.
My wife was not a part of this conversation.
Why should she be brought up here?
And what's wrong with her praying for me to lose weight, anyway?
You're an atheist, too. You've never had anybody pray for you?
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Look, you 're doing it again.
How long before you're accusing one of us of saying you're overweight and demanding to know what your weight has to do with anything?
Just stop .
stone space
(6,498 posts)I was responding to Warren Stupidity, who brought up the topic.
In post #71, he offers several links to random old posts of mine that have absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
I responded to the second link from the bottom in his post.
The OP title I was responding to was titled "Would you describe yourself as a huge atheist?".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=22270
Warren is offering that link as an excuse for you bringing up my wife totally out of the blue here in that thread.
Basically, what happened is I answered the question in the OP in my post #27 of that thread, saying that I do at the moment, but that I am trying to lose weight.
Another poster then asked if I had tried praying away the pounds in post #28.
Then, in post #36, the post that Warren Stupidity linked to, I responded with this:
My wife does pray for me, though.
So far, the effectiveness of her prayers has been spotty at best.
I need to talk to her about maybe praying just a little bit harder.
I can use all the help I can get.
According to Warren Stupidity, it is posts like this in old totally unrelated threads that give you the right to bring up my wife out of the blue whenever you want to in any thread no matter what the topic under discussion.
Really, I don't understand why so many folks are supporting this type of harassment here at DU.
It feels like a coordinated effort to push people into the closet.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Let us remind everyone of the circumstances surrounding your unceremonious shit-canning from A&A:
1. You repeatedly used an epithet members found offensive.
2. You were asked to stop.
3. You did not.
You laid your loathsome pate under the ban hammer and dared the A&A hosts to swing. And they did. And rather than taking it like a goddamned adult, you ran to the Religion forum, bleating like a butthurt child.
GM said what he said, I presume, because he thought you were sincerely confused as to why you'd been shown the fucking door. He was not aware you were simply trolling the fuck out of this forum just to see how much awful shit you could stir up in one fucking thread. So, he tried to explain to everyone why the words you used were offensive; and he picked representative examples of other offensive words one would have no business tossing around in casual conversation.
But, like I said, you weren't mistaken, misled, or confused. You took what GM said, deliberately twisted it out of context, and have ever since been bitching about asshole atheists who use words you don't like.
Now you're complaining of harassment? Really? The guy who for months has been deliberately and falsely accusing fellow members of racism? You either learned nothing from your last 90-day administrative leave, or...
stone space
(6,498 posts)(As well as being irrelevant to this thread.)
Incidentally, while it's neither here nor there, the reason why I left A&A is because the forum administration wanted to push me into the closet as a militant atheist.
I will not be rendered invisible simply to appease those might feel threatened by my very existence.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Perfectly understandable, seeing as your all-around bad behavior earned you a nice little 90-day vacation shortly thereafter.
But that's okay. I mean, this is the internet, and everything you have ever said here is on the fucking record. I'd be happy to kick the thread that earned you your expulsion from A&A if you think it may help those rusty gears grind into place.
Irrelevant? Like what Goblinmonger said to you that one fucking time all those months ago? You know, the thing you bring up whenever he replies to you?
That's funny. I recall them, and just about everyone else, asking you to stop saying the offensive term "militant atheist". And then I remember you getting kicked the fuck out because you wouldn't stop.
Which might explain why you're breaking out of your atheist closet in really strange places... like religion and interfaith forums.
Uh, yeah. It's not "threat" you inspire in me, it's more like... repulsion.
And, incidentally, you can be rendered invisible. Quite easily, in point of fact. With the click of a button, I could very well sanitize my entire DU experience of your nauseating, repellant presence.
You know what. That's a pretty good idea...
stone space
(6,498 posts)In what way does our existence threaten you?
And how does he fact that I am an militant atheist justify in any way multiple repeated uses of the N-word with me, even after I ask for it to stop multiple times?
Why are we so threatening to you?
Militant atheism is only a threat in so far as you are invested in the violence of the status quo.
Absent that, it really doesn't effect you.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Which is why I haven't attacked you, but you have attacked me.
You know how post numbers work in a thread, right? A lower numbered post was put up BEFORE a higher numbered one. Agreed?
Your post #39 in this thread came BEFORE mr blur's post #43. Perhaps as a mathematician you can check my work - is 39 is less than 43?
Your post #39 also linked to the thread where you tried to attack Goblinmonger by linking his academic use of a word to an attack on your wife.
So let's connect the dots: YOU BROUGHT UP YOUR WIFE FIRST. Not just in the previous thread, but in this thread as well.
I'll let the readers of this pathetic subthread decide who's telling the truth.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)If you can show me where I used that word as a racial epithet (and here's the definition since I'm not convinced you know it "An abusive or contemptuous word or phrase" , then I will apologize. Because I know I didn't do that.
And, hey, since you posted the picture I posted and seem to have a huge problem with me doing that, you do realize that it says "n-word" and not the actual word, right? In case you didn't see the movie, that character doesn't say "my n-word." He actually uses the word. But I didn't post that meme (which is easily out there, btw). So you are getting blustery not about me using the offending word, but for continuing to use something that literally said "n-word." Your false blustering is clearly false.
But, hey, you show me where I used it as an epithet and I'll apologize.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Or is it just me?
Warpy
(111,245 posts)People that stupid who are having that much success in life and being paid that much money to remain that stupid convince me the country is an open air insane asylum.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I have no issue with him quoting scripture.