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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
Wed May 13, 2015, 02:11 PM May 2015

Gunmen kill 43 in bus attack in Pakistan's Karachi


Gunmen on motorcycles boarded a bus and opened fire on commuters in Pakistan's volatile southern city of Karachi on Wednesday, killing at least 43, police said, and militants affiliated with Islamic State claimed responsibility.

The pink bus was pockmarked with bullet holes and blood saturated the seats and dripped out of the doors on to the concrete.

"As the gunmen climbed on to the bus, one of them shouted, 'Kill them all!' Then they started indiscriminately firing at everyone they saw," a wounded woman told a television channel by phone.

Police Superintendent Najib Khan told Reuters there were six gunmen and that all the passengers were Ismailis, a minority Shi'ite Muslim sect. Pakistan is mostly Sunni.


http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/pakistan-attack-idINKBN0NY0FJ20150513

Karachi bus massacre: Who are the Ismailis?

Dozens of members of Pakistan's Ismaili Shia minority have been killed in an assault by gunmen on their bus in Karachi. The attack came as a shock - even in a city where sectarian violence has been rife. Here is a look at the Ismaili community.
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How are Ismailis different from other Muslims?
Muslims are divided into two major groups, Sunnis and Shias. There are various sub-sects within each. All Shias believe in the Imamat - or spiritual leadership - of Ali, Prophet Muhammad's son-in-law and fourth Caliph.
After him, different sects follow different descendants of Ali as their Imam. Ismailis revere the Imam Ismail who died in 765 AD.
Ismailis interpret the Koran symbolically and allegorically and believe in a religious hierarchy.
In Pakistan, the largest Shia group, the Asna-e-Ashari, has been the main target of armed Sunni extremists.
Ismailis, Bohras and other smaller Shia sects, though occasional targets, have largely stayed unhurt, because of their smaller populations, relative affluence and their tendency to live in close-knit community.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32721136
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Gunmen kill 43 in bus attack in Pakistan's Karachi (Original Post) Warren Stupidity May 2015 OP
i feel so bad for the victims of this ongoing extremist violence all around the world. samsingh May 2015 #1
Terrible. trotsky May 2015 #2
How many were killed in the war Harris promoted? rug May 2015 #8
Are these Talibans killing Pakistanis to get revenge on Sam Harris? Yorktown May 2015 #9
No, and if they were, they're tens of thousands behind him. rug May 2015 #10
Ten thousand Sam Harrises? Yorktown May 2015 #11
You know who *else* promoted that war, yes? Fumesucker May 2015 #13
Agree. beam me up scottie May 2015 #12
I'm sure that whole "Death to Apostates" shit was totally irrelevant. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #3
Surely the Ismailis knew that their simple existence Warren Stupidity May 2015 #4
That is clearly the lesson to take away from this, according to many DUers. trotsky May 2015 #5
intellectual integrity? beam me up scottie May 2015 #6
Oh who cares? beam me up scottie May 2015 #7

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
2. Terrible.
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:09 PM
May 2015

And to think there are people who think Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are just as bad as these murderers. What an insult to the victims of religious violence.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
9. Are these Talibans killing Pakistanis to get revenge on Sam Harris?
Wed May 13, 2015, 10:10 PM
May 2015

If not, your invocation of an atheist ghoul to pin the blame on fails.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. You know who *else* promoted that war, yes?
Thu May 14, 2015, 05:05 AM
May 2015

At least Sam Harris isn't a strong contender for the Democratic Presidential nomination.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. Agree.
Wed May 13, 2015, 10:42 PM
May 2015

The critics of Gnu atheists fall all over themselves trying to equate them with mass murderers.

And let's not forget which religion the architects of the 'war on terror' belong to, it wasn't called the tenth crusade for nothing.

Pathetic.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
3. I'm sure that whole "Death to Apostates" shit was totally irrelevant.
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:38 PM
May 2015

There's no proof dehumanizing people takes the emotional sting off killing them.

Oh, wait...

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
4. Surely the Ismailis knew that their simple existence
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:52 PM
May 2015

incited sunni jihadists. By the theories proposed here regarding hedbo and geller, the Ismaili community, baiting sunni jihadists by their mere presence, must take some responsibility for this massacre. That is if those proposing these sorts of fucked up victim blaming theories had any intellectual integrity at all.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
5. That is clearly the lesson to take away from this, according to many DUers.
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:01 PM
May 2015

If you know that what you are doing is offensive and might provoke another group to violence, you share some of the blame for that violence.

A disgusting, putrid thought but the precise logical consequence of the people who think Pam Geller and Charlie Hebdo are at least partially responsible for the violence against them.

I wonder just how many will show up to blame these victims?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. intellectual integrity?
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:45 PM
May 2015

Victim blamers only care about the people who were offensive enough to provoke their attackers.

I can only imagine what they would say about Dawkins if he was murdered by religious zealots.

After they were done celebrating, of course.


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