Religion
Related: About this forumIs religious extremism fading?
I think so.
We hear and see the most violent results of religious extremism - whether they be acts of an individual or an organized group. They make news. Here in the US, in Indonesia, in the Mid East, in Europe.
For some groups making news is often the point.
Sometimes a singular act seems just tangentially related to religion and more about an individual's personal situation.
Yet what doesn't make news, imo, is the growing middle ground. Using the same tech tools as extremists, they are a growing voice.
The difference - news is geared toward disaster, death, mayhem and conflict. It's part and parcel of the business. And it's become increasingly an infotainment part of public media.
The explosion of global public access via cell phone connections worldwide is largely overlooked by the media reports. In many parts of the world that cell phone access *is* the media.
It works both ways. Context counts. Extremism is by definition a minority cutting edge movement in many countries. I include the US in that statement. And the trend is clear.
Extremists can no longer count on an insular anonymity. And a larger rational majority will prevail. I really think it's only a matter of time.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)I'm right in the middle of this (church organist and LGBT activist) and the middle ground of spiritual people who can actually think is becoming few and far between. Many reasonable people have been completely fed up with "Christians" and left the church. Those staying have swung to the right.
pinto
(106,886 posts)And offers you the opportunity to play...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Changing the Constitution in order to deny civil rights to certain citizens seems pretty extreme to me but I'm probably just spoiled.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)the nominees of the party, Romney and Ryan, are efforts to institutionalize and govern through religious extremism. One is the former Bishop of an LDS diocese (Sic), the other is an Orthodox Roman Catholic. Ryan's views on choice and gay equality are exactly the same as the RC Church; where there's fire, there is a raging inferno on a whole host of other issues.
rug
(82,333 posts)It sucks energy, is internally inconsistent, is wasteful, and ultimately, the reasons for the hate are seen to be false.
The problem is, some new thing appears to hate and it moves to it, renewed, like a virus.
As far as religion goes, yes, the old moorings of religious hate in the West are coming undone.
What happens in Islam, or I should say, how long it lasts, remains to be seen. It's a shame because historically Islam was relatively tolerant. Relatively. It's the same old story. Oil, military occupation, war and falling governments are fertile breeding grounds for hatred in the name of religion.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yeah, hating blacks (in the White House and outside it) and gays..... that's some new thing alright!
rug
(82,333 posts)You cannot credibly state that.
Can you claim 50 years ago people hated Muslims as they do now?
Oh, wait, who were we hating 50 years ago? Oh yeah, 50 years ago tonight we were hating Cubans and Russians in between shitting our pants.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)In conservative religioso land....yes.... most likely.
rug
(82,333 posts)wherever that is.
Chakaconcarne
(2,462 posts)Gotten lots of bad press lately, but it's lying in wait.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)How can anyone honestly say it's fading?
pinto
(106,886 posts)Nor does it stand the test of time, imo. There may not be a "Have you no shame, sir?" moment. And it may likely never step off stage. Yet I think its influence will fade just as McCarthy's brand of political fear-mongering extremism faded over time.
http://www.people-press.org/2012/06/04/section-6-religion-and-social-values/
http://www.people-press.org/subjects/religious-belief/
(on edit) Check out the trends, especially among "millennials", who are the future.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)National polling still has this race as a dead heat. That means half the country accepts the Republican extremist agenda. Republicans control the House of Representatives, and made gains in the Senate 2 years ago. If we had seen Republican support steadily slip over the last 4-5 elections I might be inclined to think you had a point. But that just isn't the case. If you believe it's in decline, we're going to have to wait for some facts to support you.
pinto
(106,886 posts)to facts / results.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Religion has long been the gateway for extremists of all types to justify their behavior, and I don't think that is going to change.
The rise of the "nones" or religiously unaffiliated is a good sign, imo, but recent polls have shown that this group is the least likely to become politically active.
pinto
(106,886 posts)There will always be that element, I think. The unaffiliated, if motivated to act, would help secularists across the political and religious spectrum to marginalize extremism. That would be a win in my book. Limit their influence not their presence. One's doable, imo, one's probably unrealistic.
And I remain an optimist.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)marginalize the extremists. I think that is the best weapon we have.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)the same group (the young) who are less religious today are traditionally less active in politics regardless of religion. It is not fair of you, therefore, to imply that it's their non-belief that is somehow responsible for or associated with their non-participation.