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tama
(9,137 posts)Whew. The Secret Book of John may be bizarre (and there is a great deal more to it that I have left out here) but it is ultimately a negative reworking of the Biblical story of Genesis, taking the point of view that while the story behind Genesis is true, the version written into the Bible by Moses is mistaken. We hear several times in the Secret Book of John that we should understand that it was "not as Moses wrote," but as some other thing. Moses is taken to be a mistaken interpreter of the fundamental myth. For Gnosticism, the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:1517) was the tree of gnosis, and people should eat from it. Wicked Yaldabaoth forbade this and then walled off the garden and the tree after Eve did the right thing (led by a divinely empowered serpent) by eating from that Tree (Genesis 3:124). The story in Genesis is wholly reversed through Gnostic interpretation.
http://www.oup.com/obso/focus/focus_on_gnosticism/
Jim__
(14,077 posts)Is it just based on introspection?
I wouldn't say any form of communication can be based on introspection alone, whether we are speaking about linguistic communication, as in Gnostic texts, dialogue between people or "Holy Communion" with fruits of Tree of Knowledge - which can and IMHO should be interpreted as psychadelic substances and other methods of reaching shamanistic experiences such as meditation, drumming, dancing etc.
But in general Judeo-Christian Gnosticism, just like pagan Hermeticism and philosophical Neo-Platonism etc. can be said to be based on "introspective" experientalism and their cosmological myths function as guides to experiencing and in modern language holographic relation to cosmos. Strong parallels with Eastern philosophies and spiritual practices have been noted and discussed for a long time.
Introspection alone has the danger of solipsism, and on the other hand holographic relation of parts and whole is not necessarily limited to introspection alone - but rather, shows the barrier between internal and external in new light. Holographic relation can be thus 1) matter of faith, based on narratives of 2) experiences interpreted as "introceptive" (from outside) but when actually experienced 3) overcoming the dualistic narrative barrier between introspective and extrospective experiences.
Jim__
(14,077 posts)The write-up in your referenced article made me realize that gnostics have a large set of beliefs. I'll try to read-up on this some more.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)sorry i have no right pinky so i hate shift keys.. anyway. elaine pagels, 'the gnostic gospels' is a good place to start by a scholar of high repute with a very good way with the reader too. comparative religion is a hobby and i had my gnostic periods, big g and little.some of the gnostic books are much closer both temporally and geographically to the origin point of christianity than anything in the new testament. it was compatible with all kinds of religions so made a good crucible for syncretism. hermeticism is a great example, tama, thanks for point it out it's seldom understood how big a deal it was in the five centuries leading up to christianity.