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struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 02:25 PM Oct 2013

The Pope: how the Church will change

Dialogue between Francis and La Repubblica's founder, Eugenio Scalfari: "Starting from the Second Vatican Council, open to modern culture". The conversation in the Vatican after the Pope's letter to La Repubblica: "Convert you? Proselytism is solemn nonsense. You have to meet people and listen to them."

by EUGENIO SCALFARI

... He smiles again and replies: "Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us. Sometimes after a meeting I want to arrange another one because new ideas are born and I discover new needs. This is important: to get to know people, listen, expand the circle of ideas. The world is crisscrossed by roads that come closer together and move apart, but the important thing is that they lead towards the Good" ...

"You're not wrong. The Son of God became incarnate in the souls of men to instill the feeling of brotherhood. All are brothers and all children of God. Abba, as he called the Father. I will show you the way, he said. Follow me and you will find the Father and you will all be his children and he will take delight in you. Agape, the love of each one of us for the other, from the closest to the furthest, is in fact the only way that Jesus has given us to find the way of salvation and of the Beatitudes" ...

"We always have been but the issue today is not that. Personally I think that being a minority is actually a strength. We have to be a leavening of life and love and the leavening is infinitely smaller than the mass of fruits, flowers and trees that are born out of it. I believe I have already said that our goal is not to proselytize but to listen to needs, desires and disappointments, despair, hope. We must restore hope to young people, help the old, be open to the future, spread love. Be poor among the poor. We need to include the excluded and preach peace. Vatican II, inspired by Pope Paul VI and John, decided to look to the future with a modern spirit and to be open to modern culture. The Council Fathers knew that being open to modern culture meant religious ecumenism and dialogue with non-believers. But afterwards very little was done in that direction. I have the humility and ambition to want to do something" ...

"I was not addressing only Catholics but all men of good will. I say that politics is the most important of the civil activities and has its own field of action, which is not that of religion. Political institutions are secular by definition and operate in independent spheres. All my predecessors have said the same thing, for many years at least, albeit with different accents. I believe that Catholics involved in politics carry the values of their religion within them, but have the mature awareness and expertise to implement them. The Church will never go beyond its task of expressing and disseminating its values, at least as long as I'm here" ...


http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/

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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. Once again, he is getting some pretty positive response to this.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 03:47 PM
Oct 2013

I had an interesting conversation with an 18 year old visiting from Italy yesterday. He feels very positive about this "Papa" and is particularly encouraged by his statements about GLBT people. Even though nothing has substantively changed, he felt that his even talking about it was a huge step.

He's Jewish, FWIW.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
2. One more quote from the same conversation, and considering the linguistic difficulties worth
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:39 PM
Oct 2013

consideration:

"Leaders of the Church have often been Narcissus, flattered and sickeningly excited by their courtiers. The court is the leprosy of the papacy,”

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So that we're clear, he means adulation of previous popes has been deleterious to the office. I can't disagree one whit.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
5. Interesting hope he returns the church to being pastoral
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:29 AM
Oct 2013

instead of administrative. He reminds me a bit of John XXIII and John Paul I

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