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joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:22 AM Nov 2012

Scientists Probe Human Nature—and Discover We are Good, after All

Scientists Probe Human Nature-and Discover We are Good, after All
When it really comes down to it—when the chips are down and the lights are off—are we naturally good? That is, are we predisposed to act cooperatively, to help others even when it costs us? Or are we, in our hearts, selfish creatures?

This fundamental question about human nature has long provided fodder for discussion. Augustine’s doctrine of original sin proclaimed that all people were born broken and selfish, saved only through the power of divine intervention. Hobbes, too, argued that humans were savagely self-centered; however, he held that salvation came not through the divine, but through the social contract of civil law. On the other hand, philosophers such as Rousseau argued that people were born good, instinctively concerned with the welfare of others. More recently, these questions about human nature—selfishness and cooperation, defection and collaboration—have been brought to the public eye by game shows such as Survivor and the UK’s Golden Balls, which test the balance between selfishness and cooperation by pitting the strength of interpersonal bonds against the desire for large sums of money.

But even the most compelling televised collisions between selfishness and cooperation provide nothing but anecdotal evidence. And even the most eloquent philosophical arguments mean noting without empirical data.

A new set of studies provides compelling data allowing us to analyze human nature not through a philosopher’s kaleidoscope or a TV producer’s camera, but through the clear lens of science. These studies were carried out by a diverse group of researchers from Harvard and Yale—a developmental psychologist with a background in evolutionary game theory, a moral philosopher-turned-psychologist, and a biologist-cum-mathematician—interested in the same essential question: whether our automatic impulse—our first instinct—is to act selfishly or cooperatively.
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6502

(249 posts)
1. [VIDEO] On the topic: RSA Animate - The Empathic Civilisation
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:32 AM
Nov 2012


This sums it up in a really enlightening video.

I have come to believe this as well.

The "7 Deadly Sins" is not about original sin.
It is really a description of the traits associated with a sickness of the mind, features that makes up the pathologies of selfishness -- a best attempt at describing both the learned forms (learning to ignore the poor or the hungry, etc...) as well as the innate forms (sociopathy, narcissim, etc.).

Enjoy the video.
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
4. Thanks so much for this link, 6502. I've studied
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:12 PM
Nov 2012

Jungian psychology and the "collective unconscious" a bit, and am fascinated by the notion of "homo empathicus" discussed in the video.
We're at an incredible moment in human evolution. Will we be able to turn our new technologies to empathetic ends?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
3. Fascinating article, joshcryer. Thanks so much for
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:45 PM
Nov 2012

posting.
You turned me on to scientificamerican.com as well, where I've been immersed for several hours.
Who knew that "opsin", the sight protein, evolved 700 million years ago? Astonishing...

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
5. Of course we're fundamentally good
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:30 PM
Nov 2012

We would have long since rendered ourselves extinct otherwise.


rocktivity

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
10. That's why the GOP needs their 24/7 propaganda network and spends billions on PR.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:40 PM
Nov 2012

They have to try hard to inculcate selfishness and pretend we don't want our tax dollars to go for Medicare for All, stronger social safety nets, environmental clean up and greener energy improvements.

Big oil has had a lot of success in pushing our citizenry to think we are mostly selfish creatures out for ourselves and that's the way it has got to be.




nolabels

(13,133 posts)
11. Guess they never learned of the study..........
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:38 AM
Nov 2012

that when you go looking for something you eventually find it. Actually quite the crazy idea they had here, maybe next time they should try to study why man survives in spite of his stupidity. Now that would be study with a real oxymoronic impetus


Also i don't think these people doing the study have ever met some of the people i have known

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
16. Attention, Paul Ryan and all you Randian acolytes
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:19 PM
Nov 2012

She was WRONG.

Or as Rodgers and Hammerstein put it:
"You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!"

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
17. Who's been telling us we were 'bad'...???
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:42 PM
Nov 2012


All these years. And what have they been up to? Aside from making us into Weak Dependants, that is...

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FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
18. Doesn't the need for a site like DU pretty much debunk the idea that most people are good?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:34 PM
Nov 2012

We're all here talking about the evil people (a third to a half of the US pop.) who are trying to destroy democracy.

How good (on average) could humans really be?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
19. The argument is about quick intuitive actions.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:20 PM
Nov 2012

A site like DU facilitates reflective responses, that is, responses where people can sit down and think about their actions. In that vein, because everyone must be "right" on the internet, people descend into rhetoric, and it can get heated and cruel at times.

This is more a nature of the hierarchical HTTP environment than anything else.

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