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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:23 PM Feb 2016

Mississippi lawmaker admits his education bill is to protect creationism

Mississippi is the latest US state to see a bill introduced that would protect teachers who injected bogus information into science classes. In that regard, there's nothing new; South Dakota beat it to the punch this year. The text of the bill is also unremarkable, fitting right in to the family tree of similar legislation that's been introduced over the years (see sidebar).

What is unusual in this case is that the lawmaker behind the bill is being very upfront about his purposes. “I just don’t want my teachers punished in any form or fashion for bringing creationism into the debate," Representative Mark Formby told The Clarion-Ledger. "Lots of us believe in creationism.” The bill he introduced would protect teachers from any disciplinary actions triggered by their discussion of it into the classroom.

n most cases, the people behind these bills avoid publicly admitting their intentions. In that way, they can pretend that the language of the bill (which ostensibly protects scientific information) has a purely secular purpose. By giving the game away—the language is a sham, and the bill is meant to allow proselytizing in the science classroom—Formby has created a record that will undoubtedly resurface should his bill pass and trigger a lawsuit.

Most years, several states see variations on this bill's language introduced in their legislatures. In most cases, the people involve avoid going on the record in admitting their goal is cultural, rather than educational. Formby has made it clear why this language is used. As with many of these bills, it's not just evolution that's being attacked here. The language also mentions the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human cloning.

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http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/02/mississippi-lawmaker-admits-his-education-bill-is-to-protect-creationism/

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Mississippi lawmaker admits his education bill is to protect creationism (Original Post) n2doc Feb 2016 OP
Fucking, blinkered idiots! longship Feb 2016 #1
Wow... Wounded Bear Feb 2016 #4
"evangelical physics" awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #16
Very simple SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #17
damn scientologists awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #18
If we can't fix stupid, could we at least Gorilla-glue its mouth shut??!? lastlib Feb 2016 #2
Counter-proposal: Mandatory lab-experiments testing creationism, for all biology-classes. DetlefK Feb 2016 #3
Legislating Teh CRAZY. I don't know how our species has survived this long. nt valerief Feb 2016 #5
There is no hope for fools like Formby... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #6
I'm not sure I agree with this passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #9
My wife's a teacher... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #13
Where's Neil DeGrasse Tyson when you need him? Initech Feb 2016 #7
What a stupid moron mdbl Feb 2016 #8
This one genuinely looks that stupid. Judi Lynn Feb 2016 #10
The resemblance is striking hifiguy Feb 2016 #14
Sounds like something iran or the isis would do Matthew28 Feb 2016 #11
There are lots of creation stories greymattermom Feb 2016 #12
Actually, I'm glad for this. eggplant Feb 2016 #15
Wonder if I could introduce "Creation math" BlueJazz Feb 2016 #19
And, in another GOP sponsored bill Shadowflash Feb 2016 #20

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Fucking, blinkered idiots!
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:59 PM
Feb 2016

What can one do against such as this?

It boggles the mind.

I think ridicule is the only answer.

From The Onion:
Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity with Intelligent Falling

KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.

Rev. Gabriel Burdett explains Intelligent Falling.

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."

Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.
(More at link)


Only ridicule can fight the ridiculous.
 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
16. "evangelical physics"
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:17 PM
Feb 2016

I suppose they can "explain" where all that water went after the great flood. Oh, and that whole "living in the belly of a whale for 3 days" thing.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. Counter-proposal: Mandatory lab-experiments testing creationism, for all biology-classes.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:55 AM
Feb 2016

Exercise 1: "Design an experiment to test creationism. What outcome will mean that creationism is correct, what outcome will mean that creationism is wrong?"

Exercise 2: "Conduct an experiment testing the hypothesis of creationism. Does the data support or contradict creationism?"

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
6. There is no hope for fools like Formby...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

... and I feel badly for his children. But if he wants to teach his kids that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, that it's flat, and Christ rode a velociraptor, then fine. But this ignorant motherfucker has NO right to impose his staggering stupidity on others by infecting the educational system with his asinine and perverted lies.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
9. I'm not sure I agree with this
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:23 AM
Feb 2016

I think children have the right to be taught intelligent and factual information.

Just because you have parents who grew up believing untruths, does not mean you are their property and therefor they should be allowed to force their illiteracy/ignorance on you. There is a reason we have public schools and study curriculums (for private schools and home schooling) that are required learning up to a certain age.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
13. My wife's a teacher...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:17 AM
Feb 2016

... and I have some direct experience in that education myself. From a philosophical standpoint, I agree with you, but legal speaking – as long as certain criteria are met – Formsby is free to enroll his children in any religious school, or to home school them in the Old Testament God of vindictive malice, vengeance, and my-way-or-the-highway dogma, and they ain't nuthin' we can do about it.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
8. What a stupid moron
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:09 PM
Feb 2016

Tell Formby I believe in the flying spaghetti monster and think they should teach it in his schools. How can people be so stupid? I don't get it.

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
10. This one genuinely looks that stupid.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:31 AM
Feb 2016

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You note the dull, uncomprehending eyes. Looks as if he's been hit by a 2X4 in the back of his cowlick. He had to have been raised, and taught by other sub-average people, as well.

He's a walking advertisement for avoiding visiting Mississippi forever.

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greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
12. There are lots of creation stories
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:18 AM
Feb 2016

and they could all be taught in a class on cultural diversity. Let's put creationism where it belongs. Comparative Religion.

eggplant

(3,908 posts)
15. Actually, I'm glad for this.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:37 PM
Feb 2016

It gives us a basis for having it declared unconstitutional, and that gives precedent for overturning the more stealthy versions.

Of course, I would prefer if our elected officials would stop being assholes, but that seems less likely.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
19. Wonder if I could introduce "Creation math"
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

God=dfrac {1}{1+x^{2}}=dfrac {1}{2}left( dfrac {1}{1-ix}+dfrac {1}{1+ix}right)

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
20. And, in another GOP sponsored bill
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:08 AM
Feb 2016

They are going to allow the 'Stork Theory' be taught in the biological reproduction curriculum.


Same thing.

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