Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumI think I can disprove Intelligent Design mathematically.
Some years ago I tried to understand the theory behind Intelligent Design. Then I remembered a chapter I had read some time before that in an old textbook on thermodynamics. By accident I disproved Intelligent Design.
Life as a Result of Random Events - a Mathematical Proof
Definition of Life for this work: A system that
a) has lower entropy than it's environment (e.g. an ordered body when compared to gaseous environment)
b) lowers it's entropy at the expense of increasing entropy in the environment (e.g. grows at the expense of creating waste)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_and_life
How can we achieve a localized drop in entropy? The 2nd Law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of a closed system will never decrease as time increases.
This is basically the argument of Intelligent Design: We need a conscious being to decrease entropy so life can begin.
But: The Laws of Thermodynamics only work for perfect systems without boundaries and with an infinite number of particles which can perfectly mimic distribution-functions.
If you go to a small system with a finite number of particles, a loophole in the 2nd Law of thermodynamics opens.
Using this loophole, I will prove that this drop in entropy can be achieved by random events.
1. step: The speed of chemical reactions is proportional to integer powers of the concentrations of the educts, which are in turn proportional to the amounts of those particles.
2. step: Chemical reactions play out on scales with very few molecules/atoms.
3. step: Gay-Lussac's streaming-experiment is a thought-experiment on the expansion of a gas. Normally an infinite number of particles is used. In this case, the probability for all air-molecules to spontaneously return back into the balloon is zero. But if we repeat the experiment in a more realistic fashion with a finite number of particles, those odds get better the fewer particles there are, up to 50:50 for 1 particle.
4. step: There is no prior-condition that it has to be conscious being opening the valve, so this could occur at random. Likewise there is no prior-condition that the valve couldn't close at random.
5. step: Imagine a volume filled with particles. The volume is occasionally separated and unified by a random event, leading to a decrease and increase in entropy respectively. The starting-condition is the open valve, leading to a system with high lack of information as to what it's state actually is, which is equal to high entropy, which is equal to low order.
then some random event closes the valve. For N particles present in the volume there is a chance of 2^(-N) that all particles will end up on one side, being equal to a system with less lack of information as to what's the state, which is equal to lower entropy and higher order.
-> A series of random events caused a local decrease of entropy. (The overall entropy-balance could still be positive, because the random event controlling the valve is unaccounted for.)
If we combine step 5 with the definition of life I postulated in my entry, we come to the conclusion that random events created life.
q.e.d.
Disclaimer: The proof only covers that life can be created by random events, not whether it actually was created by random events. The Intelligent Designer is not disproved but reduced to being one of two possible explanations.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)thinking of a way to disprove a bat-shit crazy idea. Good for you.
I guess we need someone to do this sort of thinking.....but it will do diddly-squat at convincing the unconvincable.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)You can't discard an idea because it "sounds" wrong. Ever. You need a reason. That's the way scientists roll.
I'll tell you what's crazy: the earth being round, the indeterministic chaos of quantum-mechanics, that there's a finite maximum-speed in the universe, that the universe as we can see it with telescopes is just a tiny part of a spatially bigger universe which is unaccessible/unreachable because our tempo-spatial event-horizon is smaller than the universe because the universe expanded faster-than-light right after the Big Bang...
Don't talk bad about crazy. Crazy is good. Crazy is the wacky brother of smart.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6243747/Fine-line-between-genius-and-madness-scientists-find.html
(I've even heard the advice "Put your dick in crazy.", but that's another topic.)
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well, to start with, it begins with a bat-shit crazy premise....
All the other "crazy" things you mention come out of concrete mathematical proofs and theories. Where's the math for the "designer"?
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I see no scientific evidence to substantiate the "theory". Why should you or I spend time trying to prove or disprove ID? Shouldn't the proponents of ID be the ones who do the work to scientifically prove it? Well, at least, that is my take on it.
But I would like to know more about putting your dick in crazy. That sounds much more interesting.