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guillaumeb

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Fuck it. dchill Mar 2017 #1
Avoiding all religious connotations. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #3
No, goddamn it, just fuck it! dchill Mar 2017 #5
Personally, enough to make a sailor blush and to make Dorothy Parker break into tears. no_hypocrisy Mar 2017 #2
What an interesting answer. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #4
It's simple PJMcK Mar 2017 #6
Do you say the common ending? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #7
I'll stand by the exact words I wrote above (wink, n/t) PJMcK Mar 2017 #9
Omng! unblock Mar 2017 #8
I never thought of that response. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #10
As an atheist True Dough Mar 2017 #11
And your response shows how much language reflects beliefs. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #12
It wasn't. All I know is... dchill Mar 2017 #27
"Shit, hell and damnation" were favorites when I was growing up Warpy Mar 2017 #13
An academic exercise or a linguistic habit. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #15
Eye of the beholder... MedusaX Mar 2017 #14
An excellent response. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #16
People were still saying "by Jove" in the 19th century, no? Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #18
By Jove I think you are onto something here. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #20
If I needed to take an oath of office (not likely, but still) I would swear on the Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #17
Any goddamn way we want EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2017 #19
Making me glad Im a not your Mormon neighbor. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #21
That's okay EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2017 #22
You'll need one of these.... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #23
Gonna need a lot of oil EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2017 #24
I got ya a couple barrels A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #25
My mouth EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2017 #26
Now I'm hungry. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #29
There's probably a Catholic church in your area EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2017 #30
I am glad to be a vegetarian. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #33
an atheist & use goddamned all the time. It conveys disgust without going right to fuck catbyte Mar 2017 #28
Moderation in all things. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #32
With Gusto and abandon! n/t 5X Mar 2017 #31
How do atheists swear? warmfeet Mar 2017 #34
Welcome to DU born again atheist. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #35
Welcome to the DU! True Dough Mar 2017 #37
What afterlife? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #38
Twas a joke n/t True Dough Mar 2017 #40
I know. Well, actually I assumed that it was a joke. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #41
I don't think anything about atheism prevents Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #52
And if there is rebirth, that echoes the Biblical idea, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #53
How the fuck do I know? TBA Mar 2017 #36
What DO you know? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #39
I've had too much bourbon to make sense of you reply. TBA Mar 2017 #42
No problem. I cannot understand it either and I am not drinking. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #43
Do you have a point? trotsky Mar 2017 #44
Curiosity. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #45
Yeah, religion is common to human culture. trotsky Mar 2017 #46
I use all of them Brainstormy Mar 2017 #47
It is a figure of speech, but conditioning is difficult to overcome. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #48
Did you know edhopper Mar 2017 #49
HOW DO CHRISTIANS REFER TO DAYS OF THE WEEK Heddi Mar 2017 #50
I do. And as proof: guillaumeb Mar 2017 #51
So why is it a big deal to you edhopper Mar 2017 #54
Curiosity. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #55
Curious about what edhopper Mar 2017 #56
No, curious and interested in how culture affects language. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #57
Yes edhopper Mar 2017 #58
An inherent weakness, or an acquired one? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #59
That is an interesting question edhopper Mar 2017 #60
And that topic would make a nice post. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #61
I have a new one we should say, Jesus Fucking Trump. Doreen Mar 2017 #86
check my signature edhopper Mar 2017 #87
Ah, yes. Doreen Mar 2017 #89
With some sense of irony. Jokerman Mar 2017 #62
I liked the comment about irony. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #64
The first time I heard my daughter say "Shit" I about peed myself laughing OriginalGeek Mar 2017 #93
Of course the larger issue edhopper Mar 2017 #63
Could anything be more thin-skinned than Trump? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #65
From the Old Testament edhopper Mar 2017 #66
Jesus was asked, "Lord, how many times must we forgive?". guillaumeb Mar 2017 #67
So somewhere between edhopper Mar 2017 #68
An interesting framing. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #69
So none of the stories in the OT are true edhopper Mar 2017 #71
Anyone is free to read any book and arrive at an interpretation. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #73
How much of the NT edhopper Mar 2017 #74
Again, some read it metaphorically. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #75
Why won't you answer my edhopper Mar 2017 #76
I did answer. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #78
No edhopper Mar 2017 #84
I accept that Jesus was a real person guillaumeb Mar 2017 #85
But not God edhopper Mar 2017 #88
Are we all not children of the Creator? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #90
No, edhopper Mar 2017 #91
Any way they please... uriel1972 Mar 2017 #70
Agreed. Culture influences every aspect of life. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #72
Being an atheist myself, Faux pas Mar 2017 #77
Cleansing. Always good to feel clean. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #80
You're welcome! Faux pas Mar 2017 #92
Obscenity is in the eye of the beholder, for instance I find this terribly obscene Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #79
It IS obscene. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #81
Worse is half the country just voted to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #82
And........................ guillaumeb Mar 2017 #83

dchill

(38,315 posts)
1. Fuck it.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:21 PM
Mar 2017

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. Avoiding all religious connotations.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:23 PM
Mar 2017

And all of the variants as well?

dchill

(38,315 posts)
5. No, goddamn it, just fuck it!
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:27 PM
Mar 2017

Atheists don't have to observe religious sensibilities. AFAIK, religiosos aren't allowed to swear, anyway. It's a free country, so fuck it, goddamn it. Jesus H. Christ!

no_hypocrisy

(45,771 posts)
2. Personally, enough to make a sailor blush and to make Dorothy Parker break into tears.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:21 PM
Mar 2017

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. What an interesting answer.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:24 PM
Mar 2017

Dorothy Parker did have a way with words, judging by the little by her that I have read.

PJMcK

(21,916 posts)
6. It's simple
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:30 PM
Mar 2017

I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

ETA: I know this is a concept that is foreign to Republicans.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. Do you say the common ending?
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:31 PM
Mar 2017

I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth............so help me.........?

Personally, I affirm to tell the truth. That is always accepted.

For the GOP, truth is synonymous with "whatever serves my interests at this moment".

PJMcK

(21,916 posts)
9. I'll stand by the exact words I wrote above (wink, n/t)
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:33 PM
Mar 2017

unblock

(51,974 posts)
8. Omng!
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:32 PM
Mar 2017

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. I never thought of that response. eom
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:33 PM
Mar 2017

True Dough

(17,090 posts)
11. As an atheist
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:37 PM
Mar 2017

I like to mix it up. I'll toss around the f*cks and shits, sometimes just for shits and giggles.

But I don't consider the use of god damn or Jesus (or Jesus Christ) off limits. Even though I'm not a believer, they are ingrained in my lexicon and sometimes naturally pass my lips in frustration.

As a kid, I remember my father periodically saying, "Jesus Marion Joseph" while angry. It made me wonder if those were Jesus's middle names. Then I came to learn that it was just dad slurring the words "Mary and," so it was really "Jesus, Mary and Joseph."

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. And your response shows how much language reflects beliefs.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:44 PM
Mar 2017

That certain phrases are so ingrained that everyone uses them.

I had no idea that Marion was Jesus' middle name.

dchill

(38,315 posts)
27. It wasn't. All I know is...
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:05 PM
Mar 2017

It started with an "H."

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
13. "Shit, hell and damnation" were favorites when I was growing up
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:47 PM
Mar 2017

and if my mother thought she'd been overheard (but was really out of fucks to give), it was "SHIT!....and two make eight." Her disgust with fluttery church ladies was expressed by "she wouldn't say 'shit' if she had a mouth full of it."

My mother had no patience for ladies who objected to language, said they were obvious frauds because no real lady would ever admit to knowing what the words meant.

In my experience, most of us atheists will use the god stuff in swearing. It just lacks the sting it has when delivered by a believer. Lacking gods to damn or hells to damn them to, it just becomes an academic exercise.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. An academic exercise or a linguistic habit.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:00 PM
Mar 2017

I think that even for most believers swearing is something that is done purely as an expression.

In our town, my grandfather's favorite expressions (in French) were more centered around religious language.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
14. Eye of the beholder...
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 06:57 PM
Mar 2017

Those who embrace religious beliefs will assign meaning to words based on their religious beliefs...

hence, even the use of the term "swear words" would most likely be by those who embrace religious beliefs .... rather than by those who do not embrace religious beliefs.

those who do not embrace religious beliefs recognize that these exclamatory expressions originated from religiously based terminology / meanings...
however, do not themselves define or use the exclamatory expressions in terms of religious concepts....
the exclamations are used as expressions of emotional intensity associated with an event, situation, or circumstance
just as "ouch" is an exclamatory expression indicative of experiencing physical pain.

Much the same as those who embrace religious beliefs assign meaning & significance to books such as the Bible, Koran, etc based on their personal beliefs...

Those who do not embrace religious beliefs recognize that the content of those books reflects the teachings of a given theologically based set of beliefs...
but do not themselves assign any significance to the books beyond that of any other piece of literature.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
16. An excellent response.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:02 PM
Mar 2017

Swearing as an emotional relief or an outlet.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
18. People were still saying "by Jove" in the 19th century, no?
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:28 PM
Mar 2017

Not too many of them actually believed in Jupiter the "God"

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. By Jove I think you are onto something here. eom
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:43 PM
Mar 2017

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. If I needed to take an oath of office (not likely, but still) I would swear on the
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:26 PM
Mar 2017

U.S. Constitution.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
19. Any goddamn way we want
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:42 PM
Mar 2017

For example, if I was talking to my Mormon neighbor, it would go something like this:

"Please, and with all due haste, go fuck yourself thoroughly and with extreme prejudice. In fact, fuck yourself, your dopey, bronze age, backward ass religious beliefs, you arrogant fucking prick, fucking god damn it"

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
21. Making me glad Im a not your Mormon neighbor.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:44 PM
Mar 2017

But when everything collapses, remember that he probably has a lot of food stocked in his basement.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
22. That's okay
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:46 PM
Mar 2017

When he's done eating the food, I'll have him, his wife and their 83 kids to dine on.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,317 posts)
23. You'll need one of these....
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:54 PM
Mar 2017

if you decide to cook them all at once. Unless you quarter them out and freeze them.



Babies first, you know and don't forget to rotate your stock.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
24. Gonna need a lot of oil
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 07:58 PM
Mar 2017

Better put that on my shopping list.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,317 posts)
25. I got ya a couple barrels
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:02 PM
Mar 2017

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
26. My mouth
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:03 PM
Mar 2017

is watering already.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,317 posts)
29. Now I'm hungry.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:06 PM
Mar 2017

I think I'll go bore a Jainist to death and make a casserole.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
30. There's probably a Catholic church in your area
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:10 PM
Mar 2017

You could just stop in for an evening mass. I heard the wafers turn to actual flesh and the wine to blood. Unfortunately the dude's been dead for a couple thousand years so the flesh is probably pretty rank - just make sure to use lots of A1 sauce.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
33. I am glad to be a vegetarian.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:44 PM
Mar 2017

If I am ever a guest in your house, remind me not to eat the stew.

catbyte

(34,169 posts)
28. an atheist & use goddamned all the time. It conveys disgust without going right to fuck
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:05 PM
Mar 2017

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
32. Moderation in all things.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:43 PM
Mar 2017

5X

(3,971 posts)
31. With Gusto and abandon! n/t
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 08:17 PM
Mar 2017

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
34. How do atheists swear?
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:01 PM
Mar 2017

God damn it all to hell. Sorry about the language, being my first post and all. Born again atheist here.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
35. Welcome to DU born again atheist.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:10 PM
Mar 2017

I am a Christian, but one birth was enough for me. I still remember the experience.

True Dough

(17,090 posts)
37. Welcome to the DU!
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:00 PM
Mar 2017

Your feet are bound to be warm in the afterlife with your atheist beliefs!


P.S. I'm a fellow atheist, so you'll be in mediocre company, at least!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
38. What afterlife?
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:24 PM
Mar 2017

Do atheists believe in an afterlife?

True Dough

(17,090 posts)
40. Twas a joke n/t
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:27 PM
Mar 2017

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
41. I know. Well, actually I assumed that it was a joke.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:28 PM
Mar 2017

But if Buddhists can believe in rebirth, it is plausible that some atheists might have similar beliefs.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
52. I don't think anything about atheism prevents
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:57 PM
Mar 2017

a belief about rebirth or an afterlife.

Atheism is just simply a lack of belief in a god. Afterlife could be a multiverse.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
53. And if there is rebirth, that echoes the Biblical idea,
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:59 PM
Mar 2017

not limited of course to the Bible, of an afterlife.

TBA

(825 posts)
36. How the fuck do I know?
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 09:53 PM
Mar 2017

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
39. What DO you know?
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 10:25 PM
Mar 2017

And how do you know that you truly know it?
Perhaps you are merely imagining that you know whatever it is that you appear to know.

TBA

(825 posts)
42. I've had too much bourbon to make sense of you reply.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 11:16 PM
Mar 2017

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
43. No problem. I cannot understand it either and I am not drinking. eom
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 11:18 PM
Mar 2017

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
44. Do you have a point?
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:04 PM
Mar 2017

Be up front with it then. For fuck's sake.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
45. Curiosity.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:11 PM
Mar 2017

And, as I mentioned, culture influences language, so if religion is common to human culture, it is interesting to see how religious terms are used by even the non-religious.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
46. Yeah, religion is common to human culture.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:55 AM
Mar 2017

Doesn't make religious beliefs valid, though.

Rape and violence have been common to human culture as well. Doesn't mean we should venerate those things either.

Brainstormy

(2,380 posts)
47. I use all of them
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:00 AM
Mar 2017

However, when I catch myself saying, OH, God, or My God, especially in front of folks who know I'm a heathen, I usually add, "It's a figure of speech."

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
48. It is a figure of speech, but conditioning is difficult to overcome. eom
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 01:29 PM
Mar 2017

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
49. Did you know
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 10:23 AM
Mar 2017

that the weekly and monthly calendar reflects belief in the pantheon of gods from different areas of older European civilizations.
Yet God fearing Christians today still use them.
Interesting.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
50. HOW DO CHRISTIANS REFER TO DAYS OF THE WEEK
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:25 PM
Mar 2017

Certainly not by using the dead, mythological, fake GREEK AND ROMAN GODSSSsss!!!!11!!1eleventy!1!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
51. I do. And as proof:
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:54 PM
Mar 2017

Lundi: moon's day
Mardi: Mars (Roman god of war)day
Mercredi: A day for Mercury
Jeudi: day of Jove
Vendredi: market day and Venus day
Samedi: Sabbath day,
Dimanche: the Lord's day

So yes, I am aware in both of my principal languages of the root meanings. And, as I pointed out above, I mentioned that history frames how we speak even as that history might no longer be relevant.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
54. So why is it a big deal to you
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:07 PM
Mar 2017

if an atheist says Goddamn or Jesus fucking Christ?

I also say Fuck You to people and don't intend a connection with the actual physical act.

Are you coming here to this atheist forum to point out that religion has had a great influence on our culture and society?

As if we didn't see that every goddamn fucking day in this god forsaken country.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
55. Curiosity.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:28 PM
Mar 2017

Why are you making a big deal out of a question?

IS the forum not open to dialogue, similar to the Religion forum, or is it restricted to certain viewpoints?

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
56. Curious about what
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:31 PM
Mar 2017

that atheists' non belief affects their cursing?

Curious thing to be curious about.

I hope your curiosity has been satisfied.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
57. No, curious and interested in how culture affects language.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:37 PM
Mar 2017

And religion is an integral part of most cultures. So it affects even speech.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
58. Yes
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:39 PM
Mar 2017

religion has a far to great influence on society and culture.

It is one of the great weaknesses of mankind.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
59. An inherent weakness, or an acquired one?
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:20 PM
Mar 2017

That could be an interesting debate.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
60. That is an interesting question
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:51 PM
Mar 2017

I think religion is a social construct made possible by varied genetic predisposition in humans.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
61. And that topic would make a nice post. eom
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:30 AM
Mar 2017

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
86. I have a new one we should say, Jesus Fucking Trump.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:50 PM
Mar 2017

OK, is that bad enough? You could actually say any name first then Fucking Trump. Oh, even better Spicer Fucking Trump.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
87. check my signature
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 04:14 PM
Mar 2017

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
89. Ah, yes.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 04:19 PM
Mar 2017

Jokerman

(3,517 posts)
62. With some sense of irony.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:32 AM
Mar 2017

I remember being fascinated as an adolescent that "god dammit" would get me into trouble while the bastardization "gosh darn it" could slide by.

It eventually became one of those many things that bothered me about religion. Surely god knows what I really mean. All I'm doing by saying slightly different words is placating people who were using their "god" as a threat to control my behavior.

I will say that having to watch my language, which meant not using the words dad taught me around mom, I developed a pretty good filter that allows me to hold a civil work conversation then turn around a swear up a blue streak with my friends.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
64. I liked the comment about irony.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:02 PM
Mar 2017

But, as others have noted, using the word fuck does not imply a sexual component.

And politeness is one reason that I was taught not to swear in normal conversation.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
93. The first time I heard my daughter say "Shit" I about peed myself laughing
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 07:25 PM
Mar 2017

she was probably 12 or so and had just died in a video game for the millionth time and just hollered "SHIT!" and then looked around and got this kinda scared look when she realized it was me laughing.

I told her I didn't give a fuck what swear words she said as long as she remembered not in front of grandma and maybe take it easy on her mom.

We've had fun cussing ever since.

I have an incredibly foul mouth but I can usually maintain in mixed company - and by mixed company I mean "any people I don't know well enough to know if they are cool with my fucking mouth"

I remember day care teachers washing my mouth out with dish soap. Fuck them. They didn't clean up a goddamned thing. I remember getting beat by my stepfather when he overheard me say the same fuckin shit he said almost every day. Particularly fuck that motherfucker. Hypocritical piece of shit can go fuck himself right in his tear duct.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
63. Of course the larger issue
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:38 AM
Mar 2017

is why does the master of all creation give two fucks if someone takes his name in vain.

Ferchristsake, he is more thin skinned than Trump.

His commandments on how to behave start with me, me ,me.

What a wanker.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
65. Could anything be more thin-skinned than Trump?
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:03 PM
Mar 2017

Saran wrap is much thicker than Trump's skin.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
66. From the Old Testament
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:17 PM
Mar 2017

it seems God is.

A petty, vengeful God, who cannot handle any descent or criticism.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
67. Jesus was asked, "Lord, how many times must we forgive?".
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:26 PM
Mar 2017

And he replied essentially that forgiveness has no limits.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
68. So somewhere between
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:48 PM
Mar 2017

4 BCE and 33 ACE in a backward area of the Middle East, God completely changed his nature and personality?

After 14 billion years he decided to not be an asshole because somehow he learned something walking around with people that his omnipotence didn't clue him in on?

Sounds reasonable.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
69. An interesting framing.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:02 PM
Mar 2017

Somewhere between 4BCE and 1543CE, science went from an earth centered view of the solar system to a sun centered view. The solar system did not change, but human understanding did.

So if we look at your framing in this way, we can arrive at a different result.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
71. So none of the stories in the OT are true
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:14 PM
Mar 2017

none have any verisimilitude?

The God that acted from Adam to the Kingdom of Israel wasn't real?

The Ten Commandments aren't really from God and none of those people that the Bible clams talked with God really happened.

If so, why should the NT be any more true.

I can clearly delineate why the sun centered Solar System is a fact.

Looking at religion around the world, there is no justification to accept any claim.


You just accept one part of the story and reject other parts that others believe with equal fervor.

Science is not a belief system, it is an evidence based process.


guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
73. Anyone is free to read any book and arrive at an interpretation.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:17 PM
Mar 2017

Some read the Bible literally in every word, some read it mainly metaphorically.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
74. How much of the NT
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:19 PM
Mar 2017

do you take literally?
Virgin birth? Nativity story? Miracles? Rising from the tomb?

And in science, people aren't free to just accept Ptolemy and reject Copernicus.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
75. Again, some read it metaphorically.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:21 PM
Mar 2017

And this question has been discussed in the religion group.

Briefly, I take the message of Jesus as the important part.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
76. Why won't you answer my
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:23 PM
Mar 2017

specific questions.

You came here to talk, so talk about it here.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
78. I did answer. eom
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:25 PM
Mar 2017

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
84. No
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:34 PM
Mar 2017

you gave an obscure bullshit answer

Again, some read it metaphorically.

And this question has been discussed in the religion group.

Briefly, I take the message of Jesus as the important part.


So what, you don't accept that any of the story of Jesus happened, you just like the message?

What do you take as metaphor and what was true?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
85. I accept that Jesus was a real person
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:37 PM
Mar 2017

who lived in the area of Jerusalem.

And 2000 years later, his words are still important.

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
88. But not God
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 04:15 PM
Mar 2017

or the son of God?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
90. Are we all not children of the Creator?
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 04:23 PM
Mar 2017

edhopper

(33,182 posts)
91. No,
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:09 PM
Mar 2017

there was no creator, but that bullshit "answer with a question" doesn't fly here.

So you obviously can't be straight forward.

Done now, have a good day.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
70. Any way they please...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:14 PM
Mar 2017

Because of the taboo nature of swear words they will reflect the taboos of the surrounding culture. I say Jesus H Christ because of the 'taboo' present in my anglo culture. "Buddha's bunions" or somesuch doesn't have the same friction for me because it wasn't part of my upbringing.

The total hypocrisy of odd's bods and the like puzzles me, as we know what it is meant to be, which sort of defeats the purpose.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
72. Agreed. Culture influences every aspect of life.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:16 PM
Mar 2017

Even swearing.

Faux pas

(14,582 posts)
77. Being an atheist myself,
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:25 PM
Mar 2017

I swear with no holds barred, letting it rip and getting it out of my system. Ah, so cleansing!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
80. Cleansing. Always good to feel clean.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:27 PM
Mar 2017

Thank you.

Faux pas

(14,582 posts)
92. You're welcome!
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 06:30 PM
Mar 2017

Always remember and never forget....out with the negative in with the positive.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
79. Obscenity is in the eye of the beholder, for instance I find this terribly obscene
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:26 PM
Mar 2017

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
81. It IS obscene.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:28 PM
Mar 2017

Especially in a very rich country where a few billionaires have more money that the bottom 40% of workers.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
82. Worse is half the country just voted to make the poor poorer and the rich richer.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:30 PM
Mar 2017

Half the country thinks if you own a refrigerator you cant be poor.

Half the country wants poor people to go without healthcare.

WANTS this, they actually WANT that.

We dont deserve this country, it is far too beautiful and wonderful for half of us, and the other half of us dont deserve it if we dont stop this madness.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
83. And........................
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 03:31 PM
Mar 2017

if you own a cellphone, you are choosing to suffer if you get sick.

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