2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton’s Lead Over Bernie Sanders Widens - WSJ
http://www.wsj.com/articles/clintons-lead-over-sanders-widens-1453039203The former secretary of state leads Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders 59% to 34%, a slightly larger margin than the 19-point gap in December.
The new national poll comes as surveys in Iowa and New Hampshire show the race tightening in the states that play host to the first two nominating contests. While losses there would be a setback for Mrs. Clinton, the new Journal/NBC News survey suggests that she would retain strong advantages in the later primaries. Mrs. Clinton owes her durable lead nationally to her strength with key subgroups in the Democratic primary electorate, including nonwhite, older and moderate-to-conservative primary voters.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)they need to acknowledge reality or lose all credibility
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)We all love a good match. Hell, I'm bored right now watching the Panthers vs Seahawks game because it is so lopsided. We all like the "they can come back!" rhetoric but the reality is that Seattle is going to lose.
So is Sanders
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)the day Rupert Murdoch took it over.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)no big surprise that such a 'poll' is manufactured ahead of Iowa by Clinton's donors.
"Fresh off the regulatory defeat of the $45 billion merger between Comcast (NASDAQ: CMCSA) and Time Warner Cable (NYSE: TWC), Comcast regulatory affairs chief David L. Cohen is set to host a $2,700-a-plate fundraiser for 2016 Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."
http://www.fiercecable.com/story/comcasts-cohen-hold-fundraiser-hillary-clinton/2015-06-15
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)I'm sure they are rubbing their collective hands and laughing evil laughs right now.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Green Forest
(232 posts)Thanks for the info. We all know Hillary's paymasters are freaking out.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)😊
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)That is in Clintons wheelhouse. She will knock it out of the park and the lead in SC will widen.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)riversedge
(70,347 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Iraq
Libya
Syria
Honduras
Haiti
If that's her "wheelhouse," she needs to stay out of the ship.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)interesting. 😊
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)the nation who won. We already what they are going to say.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)The media will tell everyone what they want them to hear. The only thing that could disrupt the narrative is if there is a gaffe or particularly interesting exchange. Otherwise, the summary of the debate is probably already written.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)viewership. They are suddenly giving Sanders airtime, etc.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Absolutely impossible.
Strange.
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)I guess that is why. Most of us don't work/live in an environment that mirrors the population.
Actually my friends and family who are Dems here in Alabama are big on Clinton. But, I wouldn't use them as an indicator (although it looks like their sentiments match the population at the moment)
riversedge
(70,347 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:16 PM - Edit history (1)
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)Iowa and NH will not matter in the March primaries. Her lead in these super Tuesday states is overwhelming. Also, the southern state Dems love the Clintons and the numbers indicate such.
sonofspy777
(360 posts)Rupert Murdoch!
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)I believe I will await the caucuses ...
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)After he gets on the stage, apologizes to her more, compliments her to the point just short of endorsing her, amazing person, Bill an outstanding person, yada yada.
He's got only himself to blame for this. When someone is punching you, you have to punch back.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Yeah, I didn't hear that one either...I guess national polls aren't relevant.
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)Tell me again how Bernie wins?
2/1
Iowa: C +4
2/9
New Hampshire: S +6
2/20
Nevada: C +19.5
2/27
South Carolina: C +40
3/1
Alabama: C +68
Arkansas: C +5
Colorado: C +13
Georgia: C +57
Massachusetts: C +13
Minnesota: C +28
Oklahoma: C +10
Tennessee: C +12
Texas: C +21
Vermont: C +34
Virginia: C +15
3/5
Kansas: ??
Louisiana: C +35
Nebraska: ??
3/6
Maine: S +1
3/8
Michigan: C +7
Mississippi: ??
3/15
Florida: C +28
Illinois: C +37
Missouri: C +5
North Carolina: C +39
Ohio: C +16
3/22
Arizona: C +28
Idaho: C +20
Utah: C +8
demwing
(16,916 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:10 PM - Edit history (1)
No one I know thinks otherwise.
Second, we have no way to verify your data date, accuracy, or source, so we have to take you at your word.
Third, the #s are not static. Wins in NH and IA will change the game in many other states
Finally, there are other indicators that show Sanders' strength (crowds, donations, etc.)
This won't be a cakewalk for anyone.
ON EDIT: My apologies for the crappy typing. I don't often post from my cellphone, but when I do, I really suck - my finger size to keypad size is ridiculous.
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)I like Sanders. I do. I'd be very happy if he was our nominee. I'm equally happy with Clinton. I really don't care which of the two wins. I do care about reality, however. Odds are very, very low for a Sanders victory.
My data are simply from what I glean from online sources the veracity of which are always suspect. But a dispassionate view of the data tells the undeniable tale of a Clinton win.
Again, I don't care which one wins. They are both so much better than the alternative.