Aren't you tired of the character assassination against Hillary?

[question everything]

No, I don't think so. Not on these pages.

Ours is a free market economy where banks and investors are part of it. Many of us who are lucky to have retirement funds, who are lucky to carry insurance have it because of investments. If our employers lose in the stock market they lay off workers. Facts of life that no one is going to change. Not even Bernie in the very unlikely event that he will reach the White House.

Of all the candidates, of both parties, Hillary is the only one with understanding of foreign policy. Lindsey Graham was, too. Bernie, like Bill Clinton and Obama is running on domestic issues. Most voters certainly can better relate to these issues. But we cannot ignore DAESH and the Taliban rest of the Middle East.

So a U.S. Senator who supports Hillary is a "goon." A Vice President who says the truth, that a "Socialist" will never get elected, is now dim witted. He was great when many hoped he would enter the race and would take votes from Hillary.

So Hillary took contributions from Wall Street, and Bernie ran against Democratic candidates and now is laughing is ass off because so many Democrats are looking for him for... not even sure.

[Dawson Leery]

1. k/r-The assault on Planned Parenthood is abhorent.

What business does Bernie have running in a Democratic primary?

He was never a Democrat until last month.


http://www.salon.com/2016/01/20/bernie_sanders_is_officially_a_big_deal_heres_why_his_supporters_should_welcome_the_political_bowback/

'when Sanders takes jabs at Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign, he should know it’s going to be treated as a big deal. Publicly feuding with Planned Parenthood when it’s been targeted by both violent and non-violent extremists is not a good look. "

[kristopher]

8. You didn't answer the OP question so allow me to...

Yes, I'm tired of the ongoing character assassination against Hillary and I wish she would stop it. I've never seen a candidate do so much damage to their own image for no good reason.

[Voice for Peace]

20. Why do people intentionally misunderstand this issue

And all the other issues being misrepresented by HC & friends?
How can any honest person justify this route??

[hobbit709]

21. The operative word there is "honest"

[Autumn]

2. Bernie 2016! Because Fuck This Shit

[question everything]

5. Sure. Why bother with reasons, and accomplishments

when one can just use foul words

[Autumn]

6. Accomplishments? Bernie voted against the Iraq war. n/t

[kristopher]

9. +1

[msongs]

22. yet he keeps voting to fund ever more war. oh well nt

[Autumn]

25. Only an ass would vote to not fund the troops that a Senator voted to send to war.

Bernie's not an ass.

[demwing]

36. Foul? Do you mean Fuck, Shit, or both?

I have a word that's really foul.

War.

[Autumn]

42. I think the foul part was Bernie 2016

[guillaumeb]

54. Foul words you say?

If I call you a chicken am I using fowl language?
Perhaps I am just trying to goose you into a response.
Or perhaps I think you are trying to duck the issue here.

[Splinter Cell]

41. And we have a winner!

[hobbit709]

3. the high pitched whining noise you hear is the blades in the turbine spinning superfast.

[Empowerer]

4. I'm tired of character assassination. Period.

[catnhatnh]

14. That's strange

Because when a Clinton supporter published a hit piece claiming Bernie threw 300 homeless out in the cold and then bragged about it in the Clinton group I didn't notice you complaining...

[Empowerer]

23. What's even stranger is that you think people are required to respond to every post with which they

disagree.

Apparently, you have a lot more time on your hands than I do.

[Warren DeMontague]

7. She's running a crappy campaign, and that's no one's fault but her and her advisers.

She clearly thought she was just gonna be able to show up and get it by default, throw in a few soft-focus videos and meaningless bon mots like "the middle class need a champion", and everyone would support Hillary™ because Hillary™ is Hillary™, that's why!

And now she actually has to compete on the basis of concrete policy proposals--- and she's floundering.

[Voice for Peace]

24. Understand, her entire White House presidential staff,

her Cabinet members, and MANY others have already firm future plans; and likely have made arrangements for homes, other jobs, even packedup their goods in expectation. People are so invested in her expected presidency that they are either blind or terrified. (My opinion.)

[artislife]

32. She is right on schedule.

I knew she would start to self combust, but I didn't think it would be so delicious.

[kcjohn1]

10. "Hillary is the only one with understanding of foreign policy"

Sure. Like voting for Iraq war. Leading the Libya change of regime. Cheer-leading for more involved in Syria. Saber rattling with Iran. Etc

I rather some monkey in charge of foreign policy who will do nothing than someone who's "understanding" leads to countless human tragedies.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. Kissing Israel's apartheid ass as well.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. Hey it ain't our fault her campaign imploded.

But I'm sure you all will figure out a way to make it our fault.

[Voice for Peace]

27. Two horrible campaigns with no lessons learned in 8 years

imo does NOT bode well for an 8-year WH occupation

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. Firstly, what character are you referring to?

I do get tired more of the sad-sack posts that fumble on about how...well just what is it that you are trying to say, exactly?

[Vincardog]

13. Hillary is the only one with understanding of foreign policy? She was wrong at every turn.

[demwing]

38. Nonono, you don't understand

[font color="red"]COMMIE! COMMIE! COMMIE! COMMIE! COMMIE![/font]

[Vincardog]

44. OH noes I forgot Im Skerit now. Where is the line for me to get in?

[Lucinda]

16. Have you actually looked at her contributions, from NY and that graphic that compares

her funds with Sanders that is being sent out by Sanders?



What they don't bother to mention was that those figures cover her CAREER donations from 1999-2015 (second link below) and that those donations were from mostly individuals, and that she was running for office in New York, which just happens to be the financial hub of the US. And that some of those people working in those businesses actually were democrats wanting to donate to her political campaigns. That, and the graphic turning up on DU and elsewhere about Clinton in the 60's -which criticizes her for supporting Goldwater - when she was in high school btw - but doesnt talk about her being a Dem by the middle of her undergrad years) - grrr. The shady factor of both of these makes me really cranky.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/136176-how-much-money-did-hillary-clinton-receive-from-goldman-sachs-she-was-criticized-for-it-on

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career


So yeah...Bernie's numbers are both much lower, and from different sources. Probably not too many major banking business employees donating in VT - and there was probably MUCH LESS money needing to be raised to run from VT vs NY - hence Sander's much lower figures.

[hobbit709]

17. To paraphrase Adlai Stevenson

We'll stop telling the truth about HRC when HRC suuporters stop telling lies about Bernie

[Voice for Peace]

18. Maybe you need to question your own assumptions.

As well as your sources.

My impression only, not an accusation:

your post reads less as original insight, and more as a download of erroneous information which you have neglected to question.

[Still In Wisconsin]

19. OK so if you're NOT lucky to have retirement funds or insurance then what, fuck off and die?

Because, you know, free markets and bla blah blah...shoulda worked harder... lazy people get what they deserve.

Again, with Democrats like Hillary who needs Republicans?

[bigwillq]

26. No

Politics is a dirty business sometimes. That's life. Thick skin.

[Ned_Devine]

28. That's some word salad you've got going there.

That type of Palin-esque rant might suffice in response to an OP, but as an actual OP it was painful.

[bvf]

30. Ha! It's not hard to imagine Palin's voice while reading it.

[2pooped2pop]

29. hard to assasinate that character

so much more could be said but isn't. Amounts to the same thing. Liar, untrustworthy, corporate shill, poor judgement, above the law, manipulator.

You have to have character for it to be assassinated.

[Lil Missy]

31. Yes, I am. But, I look forward to Super Tuesday, when control of this MB will return to Democrats

And on another positive note - the character assassinations aren't changing any minds, here or in real life. They only feed the trolls who would never vote for HRC anyway, but seem to thrive on demonizing her.

[daleanime]

34. So there's no reason an honest person could have for not wanting to support....

her campaign?

[daleanime]

33. She showed her "understanding of foreign policy"......

by voting for the worst foreign policy blunder in American history.

Or is pointing that out considered a "character assassination"?

[SheilaT]

35. The truth is not character assassination.

Really, it's not.

[PowerToThePeople]

37. All must kneel before the all powerful market.

Fuck that.

Time to return this nation's assets to the people of this nation, to use for the common good of mankind.

[Kalidurga]

39. Hillary told me in the 4th debate that my family is not worth fighting for.

I really don't think I can say anything about her that is worse than what she said in the 4th debate.

[Splinter Cell]

40. Character assassination? Really?

I guess the truth fuckin' hurts.

[longship]

43. What a fucking horrible thread!

This is all grade school playground stuff.

You are all acting like two year olds.

We have a party, the GOP, who would be very, very happy to destroy us all and establish some kind of warped corporate fascist government here. Oh! And BTW it would likely be a theocratic one as well.

Meanwhile the little kiddies here argue between Bernie (my first choice) and Hillary like they were fucking infants.

I am ashamed of DU these days. And this thread is an exemplar of why I am.

We have lost nearly all the state houses and the governorships, both branches of the US Congress, and the US Supreme Court stands on a fucking knife edge!

This is not the fucking time to rip our party apart by infighting!

Vote for your candidate. That's fine. But if we do not unite, we're utterly fucked.

Imagine if Trump (utter kook) or Cruz (utter kook and theocrat) gains the White House. Will this silly fucking schoolyard sniping have done us any good?

I saw yet another Bernie supporter post today stating that they would never vote for Hillary. I was very tempted to TOS alert on it in spite of the fact that I am a strong Bernie supporter. Such an alert does no good. However it my strong opinion that such opinions do not belong on a partisan Democratic forum.

The thing is. This is a partisan Democratic Party site. I am a lifelong Democrat. I support the candidate I like before the nomination and support the nominee of the party in the general. In my 67 years I can think of two times that the two have coincided, McGovern and Carter.

So politics is messy. Unless we want to cede all power to the delusional, theocratic, authoritarian, mad-as-hatters GOP, we fucking need to unite. NOW!

As a strong Bernie supporter, that means that if Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, I will help to get her elected.

The alternative is too hideous to consider, no matter what I think of Hillary Clinton.

That is how these things work. That is what DU is about. We have to stick together no matter what. The alternative is too horrible to consider and we really are very close to losing it all.

Thank you.

[demwing]

46. So your message is "Unite, you fucking infants!"???

that should work...

[longship]

47. My message is: act like fucking adults! nt

[demwing]

55. "Fucking Infants" = Your words, not mine

calling for people to get along, while you simultaneously insult them is an interesting team building technique.

[MineralMan]

45. I'm tired of attacks on both leading Democratic candidates.

After the convention, we'll all need to support whoever the nominee is. How can we do that if we've attacked one or the other in vile terms? I don't understand that at all.

[Fumesucker]

49. "Too stupid to be President"

So you don't understand the vile attacks on the candidates, eh?

[MineralMan]

52. And there you are with yet another out of context quote

from 2008. At the time I made that statement, I was responding to her stupid Bobby Kennedy comment. As a matter of fact, that stupid comment may well have cost her the nomination. So, I was quite sincere in my statement at the time.

This is 2016. I have no doubt whatsoever that Hillary Clinton will not say something that stupid during this year's primaries.

I was an Obama supporter in 2008. What I said was not "vile." It was a comment on one of the most stupid things I had ever heard a political candidate say.

[Romulox]

48. LOL @ username "question everything" (but the Status Quo). nt

[99Forever]

50. Hillary's character assassination is self-inflicted.

Unforced errors and boneheaded tone deafness are Hillary's most prominent political moves.

[bowens43]

51. she has no charecter

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. Got it. We're supposed to vote for a capitalist warmonger because she's a Democrat.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson

[workinclasszero]

56. Yes its pathetic

and lots of it is directed from the right.