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Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:27 AM Jan 2016

Nevada is not a lock for Clinton anymore...

The article explains some dirty tricks from 2008 that have not been forgotten....


http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-hillary-isnt-such-lock-win-key-early-state-nevada-anymore

Hillary Clinton’s road to the Democratic presidential nomination just got rockier.

If Clinton loses the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary as many are predicting—due to Bernie Sanders’ surging supporters in Iowa and rising poll numbers in New Hampshire—then the nation’s third Democratic contest, in Nevada, becomes even more critical to show she is back on her feet.

But news from Nevada, the third state to vote and the West’s first state to hold a presidential nominating event, are showing the odds are not stacking up in her favor, even though she had a 20-point lead in Christmas polling.

One of Nevada’s biggest and most politically active unions, Las Vegas Culinary Workers Union Local 226, has opted not to make an endorsement in the party’s 2016 caucuses on February 20. In a statement issued late Wednesday, union leaders said they would focus on mobilizing members for the November election instead.

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Nevada is not a lock for Clinton anymore... (Original Post) Punkingal Jan 2016 OP
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #1
Bernie's deployed 50 paid staff each to Nevada and SC Jarqui Jan 2016 #2
I was in two of them this weekend Reno and Carson City marlakay Jan 2016 #4
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #7
Californians have been and will be car pooling to Nevada, Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #17
Drip drip drip... panader0 Jan 2016 #3
DO NOT MISS THIS PART !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #5
I hadn't forgotten...I lived in NV for 9 years. Punkingal Jan 2016 #6
Thanks So Much For Posting This !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #8
You are welcome my friend! Punkingal Jan 2016 #11
We'll soon have some more recent polls there. MineralMan Jan 2016 #9
That's true, but Culinary not endorsing anyone is a really big deal there. Punkingal Jan 2016 #13
All it means is that culinary workers will vote as they choose. MineralMan Jan 2016 #14
Yes, I know about Las Vegas...I lived there for 9 years. Punkingal Jan 2016 #15
Silence is Golden Hiraeth Jan 2016 #10
After Bernie wins Iowa and NH, he'll be unstoppable. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #12
These same people screwed the state of Nevada Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #16

Jarqui

(10,128 posts)
2. Bernie's deployed 50 paid staff each to Nevada and SC
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jan 2016

Clinton had 22 paid staff in October there.

Bernie has 11 offices to Clinton's 7 in Nevada (as best I can tell from their campaign sites and the news).

My sense of it is the Clinton campaign is behind Bernie in organization in Nevada but it's not like the Clinton campaign had no one there (unlike many of the states that follow on Super Tuesday until very recently)

marlakay

(11,479 posts)
4. I was in two of them this weekend Reno and Carson City
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jan 2016

The paid guy in Carson City loves Bernie and is on fire getting the volunteers going.

Besides Nevada volunteers lots coming up from bay area to help. We came all the way from Eureka area 4 middle age women. Saw 3 men our age too so not only the young but they were there too.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
17. Californians have been and will be car pooling to Nevada,
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jan 2016

particularly after Iowa (where we are also car pooling). I imagine a WHOLE lot more Californians will be able to go to Nevada than Iowa since Nevada is right next door. Hopefully that will put us closer.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
5. DO NOT MISS THIS PART !!!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jan 2016
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No matter how you parse it, this is not what the 2016 Clinton campaign wanted to hear, which is perhaps why it has dispatched former President Bill Clinton to Nevada for events on Thursday.

The non-endorsement is not exactly a surprise, given a long history of frayed relations between the Clintons, the Nevada Democratic Party and Culinary union members dating to 2008, when the union endorsed Barack Obama before the primary.

“Indeed, the ’08 hangover, when the Culinary embraced Barack Obama and the Clintons went ballistic (Bill even called then-MGM Chairman Kirk Kerkorian to complain about casino caucus sites), appears not to have healed,” wrote Ralston Reports. “There is bad blood there, made worse by Clinton beating the Culinary in the caucus (but then losing the delegate fight).”

Actually, it was worse than that. In 2008, the Democratic Party created special caucus sites at major Las Vegas casinos so workers could break and participate. The party was so pro-Clinton, however, that this reporter and longtime voting rights attorney Tova Wang witnessed party officials trying to block some casino workers from attending: they said the casino sites were reserved for people who were working that day, not for people who had taken the day off to caucus. That was the most overt polling place voter suppression incident Alternet witnessed in 2008.

The pro-Hillary chicanery didn’t stop there. When the party announced the results of the 2008 caucus, it declared Clinton the winner—which the national media duly reported—based on the number of people voting for her in caucus sessions. But that was a ruse, because that’s not how Nevada chooses its Democratic Convention delegates. It awards more delegates to lower-population rural areas and fewer delegates to higher-population urban areas, a formula that Obama used to his advantage.


From OP Article.

I had forgotten about that... and they hope you have too.





Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
6. I hadn't forgotten...I lived in NV for 9 years.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jan 2016

It is HUGE that Clinton didn't get their endorsement for the primary. I wish Bernie had, but I will settle for this. I also doubt that the minimum wage stance of Clinton's will help her with Culinary.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
9. We'll soon have some more recent polls there.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jan 2016

Let's see what they show. Lacking those, it's pretty hard to predict, really.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
13. That's true, but Culinary not endorsing anyone is a really big deal there.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sure both campaigns would have loved the endorsement and I wonder how that will affect things.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
14. All it means is that culinary workers will vote as they choose.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jan 2016

They didn't endorse Sanders, either. They're leaving it up to their members, many of whom are Hispanic or otherwise people of color. Those voters will make up their own minds.

Wait for the polls, or wait for the date. Soon enough, we'll know how Nevada will go or has gone.

The bulk of Nevada's population is in the Las Vegas area, so what happens there will determine the outcome.

I wouldn't make any prediction, really. There will be polling, right after the IA and NH dates. Then, we will have a clearer picture of what is likely to happen in NV.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
12. After Bernie wins Iowa and NH, he'll be unstoppable.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jan 2016

His numbers are going to go through the roof going into Nevada. After he wins Nevada, SC goes to Bernie OR will be very, very close.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
16. These same people screwed the state of Nevada
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jan 2016

by not getting involved in 2014. Culinary has the numbers and they are like a herd,in 2014 they sat on their hands and the rest is history.

We are one month away from Caucus Day,and who ever is in charge has to get going. Zero voter contact with the Dems,Rethugs are doing mailings like crazy. Same crap as 2014,wait till the last minute and think they can pull it off. Don't think so.

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