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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:28 PM Sep 2012

“47%” Was Bad for Romney; Ryan Has Been Deadly

Noam Scheiber


The conventional wisdom on Obama’s recent surge is that it’s due largely to Mitt Romney’s 47% disaster, and there’s clearly something to this. If nothing else, it’s given Team Obama grist for an absolutely devastating ad.

But it’s worth pointing out another dynamic that’s been overlooked here: The escalating disaster that is Paul Ryan. At the time of his selection, a number of pundits argued Ryan’s strategic benefits, suggesting he would boost Romney by energizing conservatives, or by allowing Romney to run as the candidate of big ideas, or that he would at least be the party’s best defender of the Medicare plan Romney was going to have to defend whether he wanted to or not. This seemed like a stretch at the time—after all, Ryan’s Medicare plan proved to be a massive liability the one time voters weighed in on it. But who could say for sure?

Well, fast forward a month-and-a-half and the numbers look pretty persuasive. This week the New York Times released a set of polls, conducted by Quinnipiac, assessing the state of the race in Ohio and Florida. The top-line numbers were jaw-dropping enough: Obama’s lead in Ohio grew from six to ten over the last month, and from three to nine in Florida. (It’s better to focus on the change here than the magnitude, which is highly sensitive to polling methodology.) But once you look at the internal numbers, they’re even less kind to Romney. More to the point, they suggest Ryan has done enormous damage to the ticket.

Back in late August, Obama led Romney on the question of who would handle Medicare better by 8 points in Florida and 10 points in Ohio; now he’s up 15 in Florida and 16 in Ohio. And the problems are especially acute among senior citizens, a group Obama has traditionally struggled with. A month ago, Obama was down 13 points in Florida among people 65 and older; today he’s up 4. On the specific question of Medicare, Obama was down 4 points among Florida seniors in August; today he’s up 5 points. (The Quinnipiac Poll re-shuffled its age-groups between August and September, so you won’t be make apples-to-apples comparisons by eyeballing their crosstabs. But the super-kind people at Quinnipiac re-reshuffled them for me.)

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“47%” Was Bad for Romney; Ryan Has Been Deadly (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2012 OP
Romney is failing.........and it's all his own fault! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2012 #1
they suggest Ryan has done enormous damage to the ticket. aletier_v Sep 2012 #2
LOL bongbong Sep 2012 #9
RE: The escalating disaster that is Paul Ryan... No DUplicitous DUpe Sep 2012 #3
Rmoney to Lyin' Ryan: who's stinky now? Raster Sep 2012 #4
Lol! Nailed it! Cha Sep 2012 #11
Yes, must give full credit where credit is due Zambero Sep 2012 #5
If nothing else, the Republicans are going to learn arithmetic. Baitball Blogger Sep 2012 #6
Nah. They'll say Romney lost b/c he wasn't really conservative CreekDog Sep 2012 #13
Right now I'm guessing he's a bit unnerved about his government teat (not a typo) in the House cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #7
Well... theKed Sep 2012 #20
Better yet: theKed Sep 2012 #21
yep, he's scaring off seniors Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #8
Such a "bold" choice, wasn't he? Jennicut Sep 2012 #10
But, I read Ann and his sons wanted Ryan. Cha Sep 2012 #12
A good enough reason as any to pick him I guess *shrug* NCLefty Sep 2012 #16
Yes, Ann, the politically astute one in the family.. Cha Sep 2012 #17
Hell, the liberals are begging RMoney to set him free tavalon Sep 2012 #19
Best part is Ryan is toxic politically going forward. He's a loser now and that kills his clout... smorkingapple Sep 2012 #14
Dan Quayle is looking pretty good right now. JBoy Sep 2012 #15
This is why we were so gleeful when RMoney tried to sneak him onto the ticket tavalon Sep 2012 #18

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
2. they suggest Ryan has done enormous damage to the ticket.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:44 PM
Sep 2012

Yea!

Send Ryan to Burger King and let him LIVE the Ayn Rand lifestyle!!!!

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
9. LOL
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 04:09 PM
Sep 2012

Make sure it's the Burger King in Somalia so Lyin' Ryan can get the Super Deluxe Galt Experience.

No DUplicitous DUpe

(2,994 posts)
3. RE: The escalating disaster that is Paul Ryan...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:51 PM
Sep 2012

I guessed that would be the result of picking Ryan, and "called the race for the president" right after the pick.

Who knew every day since, there would be a new mis-step.

The debates won't change Mitt's downward trajectory, that cake is baked.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
5. Yes, must give full credit where credit is due
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:58 PM
Sep 2012

Four years ago Sarah Palin also energized conservatives. But for every wingnut she had floating around on an adrenalin high, 2 to 3 swing voters threw up and went for Obama. Similar phenomena this year. Thank you, Paul Ryan.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
6. If nothing else, the Republicans are going to learn arithmetic.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:09 PM
Sep 2012

You can't win an election if you only represent the top 1%.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
13. Nah. They'll say Romney lost b/c he wasn't really conservative
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:55 PM
Sep 2012

Wasn't really Christian, wasn't someone like Ryan.

Remember these are people who think people lived with dinosaurs -and maybe it's not so surprising since dinosaurs is what they are.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
7. Right now I'm guessing he's a bit unnerved about his government teat (not a typo) in the House
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:14 PM
Sep 2012

Dude has never had to get a J.O.B. Perhaps the speaking circuit, but if he's tagged the "reason" Romney failed, which may be setting up, he may not get the Palin financial gravy train afterwards. Other than the Bridge to Nowhere, she was pretty politically neutral and clueless. But Ryan, especially, if he "goes rogue" now, it blows his "handsome, wonky and intellectual" front and the bigwigs that selected him will vanish, IMHO.

theKed

(1,235 posts)
20. Well...
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:28 AM
Sep 2012

If Palin's on the way out as Fox commentator, there might be an opening for a new "batshit-wing" opinion there.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
10. Such a "bold" choice, wasn't he?
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:05 PM
Sep 2012

Romney made a pretty big mistake in picking him. And the conservatives beg to let him be set free. Yes, let Paul Ryan say whatever he wants.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
19. Hell, the liberals are begging RMoney to set him free
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:22 AM
Sep 2012

Please, please let Paul Ryan say anything he wants!

smorkingapple

(827 posts)
14. Best part is Ryan is toxic politically going forward. He's a loser now and that kills his clout...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 07:56 PM
Sep 2012

No 2016 for him, that dream is done now. His standing in the house is also shot to shit. Inside he must be seething at latching himself to this loser and killing his own shot at the WH down the road but that's on him..

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
18. This is why we were so gleeful when RMoney tried to sneak him onto the ticket
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:20 AM
Sep 2012

on an early Saturday morning. It was like Christmas, Hannukah and Kwanza all rolled up into one giant amazing joy filled day. I know I couldn't believe our good luck.

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