Rep. Peter King (R) calls on Susan Rice to resign as UN Amb. for 'misleading' info about Libya

[TroyD]

Was just on CNN talking to Wolf Blitzer.

[blm]

1. I remember when he demanded Colin Powell and Condi Rice resign for LYING to Congress.

Ooooops......no he didn't. He only wants Susan Rice to resign for waiting for more concrete information before she declares that the anti-film riots were used as cover by organized an terror group.

[NCLefty]

38. Correct.

+1

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. For what???

[nmbluesky]

3. I was watching CNN

She mislead infrom about Libya attack..

He is an asshole..

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. How did she supposedly mislead

Seems like the investigation is still ongoing and maybe she doesn't have all of the facts yet? After 9/11 and Iraq, Republican moral authority regarding misleading people would seem to be a bit, how shall we say, nonexistent. They are going to milk this Libya situation for all its worth. Even though there were spectacular failures and incompetence which help contribute to 9/11, Dems didn't jump in and blast Bush about it, particularly not right after 3000 people died. Ugh

[Panasonic]

4. I heard his seat is in danger.

Now, he needs to get busy lying to his constituents who has just about enough of him and replaced with a Democrat.

[TroyD]

5. The Libya crisis has been a problem for the Obama administration

It does seem like they have presented conflicting information and it has caused some political fallout.

The administration has gone between saying the attack was because of the film and a spontaneous uprising, to saying it was a planned terrorist attack.

It has unfortunately allowed the Republicans an opening to go after Obama in the month before the election and it has also caused Obama's foreign policy numbers to come down in some of this week's polls.

[Hippo_Tron]

7. Yes, god forbid they get more information about what happened

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. +1

Right- something that right-wingers like Rep. King are not prone to doing.

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. His FP poll numbers came down when we saw people rioting in the streets of the Middle East.

That was when we ALL still thought it was because of the movie. Don't make GOP talking points here, it's very disturbing.

[TroyD]

10. I'm not making GOP talking points

I'm discussing something we need to be aware of.

Obama's foreign policy numbers are down THIS week in some of the latest polling, such as the Bloomberg poll. I was just reading about it.

This issue is something we need to be aware of for the next month.

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. You said his numbers came down because the stories changed. The numbers had already changed....

when people turned on the teevee, and saw folks rioting and burning the American flag in Libya & Egypt. I realize folks like Peter King will try to turn this into a Fast & Furious, I'm just not sure why you would advance their talking points for them.

[TroyD]

14. Romney has overtaken Obama on terrorism 48-42

In the latest Bloomberg Poll.

Obama was ahead on this score until last month.

So it's just a reminder that we need to realize the GOP talking points are having an effect with some voters.

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. Why would "WE" give a shit? There may be two people in the entire country voting on FP this cycle.

Stop the hair on fire b.s. It sounds alarmist & artificial.

[TroyD]

17. You're the one that seems to be getting upset

Stop telling us what we're allowed to discuss. "Why should we care?' Well, because foreign policy is an issue and there will be a whole debate around it, and it will be one of the issues that effects the election. It has been one of Obama's strengths up until now and we need to see that it remains that way.

Just because you don't think it's important doesn't mean others don't. The 3rd and final debate will be the foreign policy debate as far as I know, so we definitely need to keep on top of this.

[Tarheel_Dem]

19. "we need to see that it remains that way."

"WE" need to calm down, and stop fearmongering. What is it you're proposing "WE" do? The president is surrounded by advisors who specialize in these things. What do you propose "WE" at DU do except be scared of assholes like Peter King? If polls make you so anxious, you should posting so many of 'em. Stop trying to drag everyone into your anxiety filled speculations.

[TroyD]

22. I'm not anxious - I'm cautious

That's the way one runs a campaign.

And I'm merely reporting what is going on. CNN (especially Republican-leaning Anderson Cooper) is trying to make this stick to the President.

Also just reminding you that there is a foreign policy debate, and so this issue will be part of the election.

Not planning to say anything more about it tonight. . . .

I think the main focus for the next month needs to be on drawing attention to GOP electoral theft, such as that going on in the latest Florida scandal involving the GOP firm that Romney hired with a history of dishonest behavior that was caught destroying Democratic forms in Palm Beach County.

Do you notice how CNN and others were all over ACORN in 2008, but say very little about GOP shenanigans this year? We need to make sure as many people as possible know about what's going on.

[Tarheel_Dem]

25. You didn't respond to post #18. I'd be interested in your take. You seem to have a special affinity

for polls, and what they foretell. I could be wrong about you, but I don't like alarmists, whose main purpose in life is to make everyone around them as paranoid and as anxious as they are. If we're afraid of our own shadows, and go running for the hills everytime the whack ass GOP, and their media hacks, go boo....then why even participate here? I mean, really. Furthermore, you haven't laid out one solution to this new thing that seems to be scaring the shit outta you; except that you want us to be scared, err I mean, prepared with you.

[Jennicut]

39. TroyD is not an alarmist.

Just worried about this, which is normal. He has a pretty good knowledge about the polls here and I have never seen him attack President Obama for no reason. I pointed out to him the Fox poll which shows good #'s for Obama on terrorism and his handling of foreign policy to ease his fears. I will keep looking into other polls to compare the #'s.

[Jennicut]

18. The Fox poll just released this week has Obama's #'s on terrorism as this:

Approval 56% Disapproval 39

And this question:

Regardless of how you might vote, which presidential candidate do you trust to do a
better job on each of the following issues -- Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?

Protecting the US on terrorist attacks : 50% to 40%
On foreign policy: 52% to 41%

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/09/27/fox-news-poll-voters-want-change-president-to-stand-up-for-free-speech/

I suppose it matters what poll you are looking at but right now I still don't think Romney has an edge on this. I think he doesn't have enough experience and knowledge about foreign policy for what happened in Libya to matter much.

Susan Rice would have had to deliberately lie for no reason and it looks like she simply said what she said with a caveat, "this is what we know right now."

[Hutzpa]

21. This is the reason why I believe this poll to be an outlier.

the one this poster seem to the touting.

[Cha]

36. Exactly, Jennicut...I get so tired of these damn lies and

people believing them. The recons are like cornered rabid rats in freaking corner.

[Hutzpa]

11. That is not accurate

the republicans don't need an opening, they just need to open their mouth and MSM picks up from there, now whether it's facts or not, that's for us to figure out. It helps if folks on DU do not carry that same sentiment of right wing talking point.

[TroyD]

12. Romney has overtaken Obama on terrorism 48-42

In the latest Bloomberg Poll.

Obama was ahead on this score until last month.

So it's just a reminder that we need to realize the GOP talking points are having an effect with some voters.

[Hutzpa]

20. What I don't understand looking at this poll

is excerpt;

What makes this result so surprising is that the president has consistently trounced Romney when it comes to counterterrorism. A Fox News poll earlier this month found that 49 percent of respondents trusted Obama to do a better job than Romney in protecting the United States from terrorist attacks, compared with 41 percent who put their faith in the Republican candidate. The president had a 51-40 advantage on handling terrorism in an ABC News/Washington Post poll around the same time, and a 50-35 edge on carrying out the war on terror in an Ipsos/Reuters poll in August. The Democrats' rare national-security muscle was on full display at their convention, where speakers boasted about the administration's successful raid against Osama bin Laden and targeted killings of al Qaeda leaders.

So, within a space of one week a margin of 15% has disappeared on the basis of the president being unable to handle terrorism including the Libya fiasco, I would like to see more on that polling, what questions were asked and how these 900 people responded. This could be an outlier poll.



http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/27/new_poll_romney_overtakes_obama_on_terrorism

[TroyD]

23. Yes - hopefully Romney's 'edge' on this issue won't last

But as you can see from the link you found, it's already getting attention.

That was my only reason for wanting to bring it to DU's attention - didn't expect Tarheel Dem to get upset about it, but oh well, it's time to move on to other topics.

Thanks for doing the research, Hutzpa. That was the poll I was referring to.

[Cha]

37. It's been a problem for Libya too and they're all handling

the shit the best way as in dealing in Reality. Which is ever evolving. They're not lying the republicons are Lying, Again.

[wutang77]

16. I am usually one to give leaders leeway on matters of state and security,

but if she out and out lied, and anyone else who lied, they have to go. If her response is " I really can't get into that now, it's a matter of national security", conversation postponed. If she comes at me with essentially "random occurance, a bunch of things happened at once" well that is bullshit ,and she needs to be called out on her bullshit. We are supposed to be better then the Republicans, more honest. I could have told you the day it happened it wasn't some random flash mob.

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. Mitt Romney will never be president!

[wutang77]

28. Agreed, so you think that what Rice did was on the up and up?

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. I don't know yet, and neither do you. That's what investigations are for.

[wutang77]

30. Feel the same way about Bush and Iraq?

[Tarheel_Dem]

31. Having just joined us, I hope you enjoy your stay. As to your weak ass attempt at conflation....

maybe they can answer it over at Free Republic, where they still think there were actually WMD.

[wutang77]

32. Seriously? Give an opinion on the situation, I gave you mine.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. You know what they say "opinions" are like, right?

"The Stench" will never be president.

[wutang77]

34. Like you?

[Cha]

35. No, Susan Rice didn't Lie.. it's just rw asshole talking points.

If it's Peter King mouth..there's a damn lie coming out of it.

[Cali_Democrat]

24. They're getting desperate

I wonder...did he call on any Bush Administration officials to resign after lying about WMD and launching a war that killed over 100,000 and cost us more than 2 trillion?

No? Didn't think so.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. I'm surprised he knows where Libya is

or maybe he doesn't