2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAttention Sanders supporters.
As we've seen in Iowa, it will be necessary for Sen Sanders to get enough votes to be beyond the Margin of Manipulation.
We need Sanders people in all levels of the process. We are at a slight disadvantage as many of the Establishment party workers are HRC fans while many of the Sanders supporters are new to the process. The new blood must get in positions of control to insure against shenanigans that are bound to happen as we've seen.
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99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It's the Sanders supporters that are going door to door and calling on the phone banks.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)For real.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)I think Ohio '04 flipped the count for W against Kerry.
I think the abuse is systemic.
I think Iowa's chair being an obsessive Hillary supporter - even owning license plates "Hil 2016" not allowing the audit of a .02% difference is clear bias for her choice and she should be subject to a criminal / ethics investigation. I think that having Microsoft count things up there for the first time ever opens up the whole thing to scrutiny. The missing precinct chairpersons and delayed tallying needs to be investigated. The whole thing smells.
Look out. They the M$M are already saying NH is down to 9% between them (from 30%!) If people allow themselves to believe the M$M who are clearly in the bag for the corporate status quo candidate then they will readily accept an outcome that may not actually reflect the true winner.
I think an audit would prove Bernie won Iowa and that is why it is being refused.
I think more questionable acts will occur in state after state and they must all be challenged where there is a question of impropriety.
We as a people deserve to have honest elections. No matter who your candidate is you should agree.
nikto
(3,284 posts)More election-frauding is ahead.
By the end, I have a feeling Hillary will
make Karl Rove proud.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)and so do a whole lot of folks.
Stainless
(718 posts)I have it on a Tee Shirt!
I also feel that Bernie's personal safety is a concern because he is going up against entrenched interests who will do anything to get and keep their chosen ones in office. I'm glad he recently received SS protection, but even that was late in coming.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)There is a Democratic machine ("establishment"
that is rather entrenched. But it isn't all-powerful.
Keep on fighting the Good Fight. We will win.
Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)Thanks for the thread, rhett o rick.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)By at least 5 to 6% where electronic voting that leaves no verifiable by the voter ticket roll in the machine. Those machines are notoriously easy to manipulate by those in a position of power behind closed doors.
We have to "overwin" to win, lust like in any race with any other right winger with an establishment connection. - REMEMBER HARRIS AND FLORIDA
DaveT
(687 posts)This is a FIGHT.
When they land a punch -- which they will -- we don't whine, we just keep on keeping on.
Don't mourn. Organize.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Make sure they're furious!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Never mind.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)some of them may not be legal.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)supporters. Many of Sanders supporters are new to the process, not all of course. If you have experience with local politics, then you would be good to help ensure that the H. Clinton supporters don't run the whole process.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)silvershadow
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Gorgatron
(95 posts)I volunteered for the campaign as soon as I could after the announcement. I have been donating, I drove to Iowa to canvass for Bernie and am going to a phone banking session in my home state next week. I will do anything I can to help Bernie get the nomination. I am really happy you brought this up though because this is something I have been thinking about. How do we get people into these positions of control in our respective states? My state, WI, doesn't have its' primary until April so there may still be time. What can I do to try and get into a position where I have any kind of control over the voting process, or at least close enough to the action to call "shenanigans" on people?
Hope this doesn't read like I'm trying to be critical of your call to arms. I really just don't know what I can do. I am 26 and haven't been active politically for a large part of my adult life and just am not sure how to get more involved beyond volunteering. Do I need to join my state Democratic Party and become active that way? Any help greatly appreciated.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Lol well Thanks! Heard about DU from Thom Hartmann's radio program and have been reading here for quite a while. Finally decided to join in 
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Gorgatron
(95 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Volunteer to check ballots for authenticity. Help verify the vote counting process. Contact your local Democratic party and they will help.
Gorgatron
(95 posts)I had thought that registering voters would be a good way to help. Wasn't sure if that was something to talk to the campaign offices for Bernie in my state or the state Dem party. But thank you bunches for the response and info. I will be contacting the party soon to volunteer
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Second, find your local party heads, a local news person may be able to direct you? Reporters don't mind being asked good questions. The web may be of help, search Democratic party (your state)
Volunteer to participate in any campaign but keep it close who you are for until you find like minded. Party heads are going to be mostly H supporters and they may not like you because you are for Bernie.
The two weeks before the vote are the most important to influence voters. So save up to spend time then.
As for the vote count ... it's a little crooked .... what wins is a great turnout. Bernie said as much last week.
Good luck occupying the local party. And don't let them dissuade you.
Ok I will try and get on it. I really appreciate the input. I figured I might need to conceal my avid support for Bernie and thank you for confirming that. Lucky I don't post anything political on Facebook or social media, (too much arguments) so no one should be any the wiser.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)The more people involved in the process, the more fluid it is. I really hope the passion translates into action.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)In the Hudson Valley, there shall be NO status quo. Though we had to get about 60,000 signatures on petitions to get Bernie on the primary ballot, this was done with great ease. I believe that about twice as many signatures have been turned in. Bernie is on the ballot in NY, so when we here in NY get out the vote, we shall see Clinton LOSE NY, big time.
I can tell by the bumper stickers I see, and yard signs. Not one for Clinton. and literally hundreds for Bernie. The Hudson Valley feels the Bern!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and counting validation.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)So many new votes will lead to loads of confusion, as it did during the caucus.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)RKP5637
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kjones
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Spitfire of ATJ
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dflprincess
(28,078 posts)they can vote Bernie, Clinton, O'Malley (the ballots have already been printed) or uncommitted. Delegates to the national convention will be allocated based on the results. (Our caucuses are a bit different from Iowa's, we also elect delegates to our district conventions and discuss resolutions we'd like to see added to the party platform).
The rules say that, ideally the votes in each precinct will be counted by attendees that support each of the candidates (or are uncommitted). I don't doubt that this will be done. (And I'm convening the caucus in my precinct which means I'll probably wind up running it all night, so I'll guarantee everything will be done honestly.)
As the evening goes on, the caucus chair reports the results to the Senate District chair who will call the district results into the state DFL. I know I can trust our district chair not to pull anything.
I think, but I'm not sure the ballots get sent to the state DFL as well. What I don't know is how the votes will be treated once they get to the state. Hopefully returns will be posted on the DFL website so we can check that the results of our various districts. These are questions I'll get answered before March 1.
Once upon a time I would have never doubted that the state DFL could be trusted, but there's too many of them that are more "Third Way" types and they broke a lot of party rules (mainly those that say the party remains neutral until an endorsement is mad) when they pushed Klobuchar off on us when she ran for her first Senate term.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Incredible!
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Apparently there will always be yet another conspiracy to get Sanders supporters all a tizzy.
It's really sad at this point.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)They have big money to spend and don't like to lose. We know there will be manipulation and we just have to make sure we get enough votes to overcome it.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)As they pat you on the back with a knife.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)And rec
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)have been discussing that very fact. We have been discussing the idea of organizing as many first time voters as we can and educating them on the procedure. We have also contacted many 17 year olds in my community that will be 18 in time to vote in the primary. The effort is underway, but your message is understood, this is going to be a dirty fight right down to the wire.
rhett o rick
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Dem2
(8,168 posts)This paranoia isn't helpful. I guarantee Bernie wins by at least 15 points. You can come back and thank me next Tues after the polls close and they call it for Bernie.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)It's complacency that will prevent Bernie winning, if anything does. Even if the Iowa caucuses turn out to have been completely above board, "trust but verify" is still the wisest approach. And if suspicion of the establishment motivates people to get out and vote for Bernie, then so much the better.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and 2004 and they will do it again. They are filthy rich and don't like to lose, especially to the People. We are already fighting Citizens United, the unlimited wealth of Clinton's backers, and the corp-media.
My point is that we have to get enough votes to be beyond the range of manipulation.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Bernie's campaign is about to explode, causing fear and shaking in camp Hillary...
nolabels
(13,133 posts)So much for slow cooking 
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Enthusiast
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Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)There was widespread voting fraud in favor of the status quo candidate. This is because the people in positions of power have been selected by the status quo over many years. They are the ones who can implement small biases against the other candidate at any step they can. This is why there won't be any evidence of massive fraud, it happens in a distributed manner throughout the system. Checking everything, like the Sanders team is doing in Iowa is the only way to document such situations.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)or maybe 85,000 - Needed 5000 - and this was all done by volunteers
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Use the phrase often...it's perfect and speaks to the stench of what has become not only for PukeBaggers but now we know Dems.
Time for America to get a good housecleaning.
GOTV!
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)That's an advantage the establishment has a pretty solid lock on. No paper trail in many cases, so no way to verify anything beyond the 'official' results.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Even though she has been under immense pressure to do so for months, and it is obvious she is greasing the skids for Hillary. The fix is in if they can keep it close. It's about personal gain for people like her, country be damned.
BeanMusical
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merkins
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