No matter who wins the nomination, Dems are going to lose in the Fall

[Yavin4]

This is quickly becoming a brutal primary fight, and whichever side wins, there will be long, enduring hurt feelings that won't heal in time for the Fall election.

We're fractured as a party, and I just don't see us coming together in the numbers and strength to beat back the Republicans. A loss in November will have major repercussions for all Americans for generations to come.

Yes, I am being doom and gloom. But sometimes the truth is doom and gloom.

Prepare yourselves and be well.

[H2O Man]

1. Respectfully disagree.

I think we will win.

[Go Vols]

4. Thats a given to me

Just hope its Bernie.

[H2O Man]

7. Right.

I am convinced that Bernie Sanders provides us the best likelihood of victory in November.

[JRLeft]

38. Some of us, would like to avoid bought candidates.

[H2O Man]

41. Respectfully disagree.

The Democratic Party is seriously damaged. It's far superior to the republican party, of course. But everyone needs to work towards repairing it ....without pointing fingers at others.

[NCTraveler]

2. Do you see the republican primary?

We're straight up polite compared to what they are doing. This is what a primary should look like. Clinton and Sanders are out there talking about issues we care deeply about every day.

[restorefreedom]

18. polite, mature, and most importantly, SANE

every time i feel bad about our collective dischord and issues, i watch a few minutes of the freak show going on over there.

and the hillary bernie angst seems minor..i don't think it IS minor, but they are such a dumpster fire, it makes it look like H and B are going to break into a chorus of kumbaya....


THATs how bad the other side is.

[daleanime]

3. I think you're half right...

choosing the wrong candidate will finish the party. Do we try to stay the same and wither and fail, or do we look to move forward?

[unapatriciated]

5. Yes there will be hurt feelings but

the majority of us will put those aside to insure a Democrat in the White House.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. It's no worse than 2008. That was just as crazy.

And this year's GOPers are even worse than McCain/Palin (OK, nothing's worse than Palin - but McCain wasn't as bad as Trump/Cruz/Rubio).

[sadoldgirl]

11. I think it is much worse.

W was such a misery for the repugs, that it was easier
to swing the dems in.It is not even comparable to 68.

That time the dems were split, but the repugs were
united.

This time both parties are faced with a very frustrated
and angry electorate, unlike anything I have seen before.

That means there may be a serious split in both parties.

I cannot predict anything, but it does not help us that
Obama as a dem occupied the WH for 8 years. That
normally brings about a wish for a change.

Then again, this is not a normal election year.

[pangaia]

29. I am glad you put in that "(OK, nothing's worse than Palin "

because I as about to alert on you.

[TlalocW]

8. Weren't we fractured in 2008

With one of the candidates being Hillary, and her supporters promising not to vote if she didn't get the nomination? Whether she or Bernie gets it, I think we'll come together.

Now, we've seen what the republicans did when Hillary lost - they put Palin on the ticket because they believe women and different ethnic groups don't care about actual issues but only voting for, "one of their own." So if Bernie loses, I predict the republicans will ask Lieberman to be their veep candidate.*

TlalocW

*Because he's also a 70-something Jewish guy. Not for any other political reason.

[pangaia]

30. Is Lieberman still here?

[TlalocW]

42. He's still alive

He's not in congress anymore. He's now part of a conservative think tank.

TlalocW

[99th_Monkey]

9. I wouldn't invest a lot of energy into that imagination. Shit happens, things change.

the 2008 race was every bit as nasty, then Obama won in a landslide.

[Xipe Totec]

10. You need to switch to a milder smoke of choice.

The worst Democratic candidate, on a bad day, with an absinthe hangover, is better than any Republican candidate, on a good day, with monitored and enforced sobriety, and leather strapped restraint jacket.

[AtomicKitten]

12. Had DWS done her job as an unbiased entity, this might not look dicey for the fall.

The sparse and crap scheduling of debates was meant to suffocate her opponents' campaigns in the crib because of their lack of name recognition. Camp Weathervane intended to ride the wave of Hillary's huge name recognition right into the GE. We lost a good man, M'OM, in the process, and Bernie has had to work his ass off with zero party support and zero MSM coverage to being the formidable contender he is now. There is no love lost between the camps. By the time this is over, it will split the party in two.

[BlueStateLib]

13. sanders vs clinton is turning out to be a ted kennedy vs jimmy carter battle redux

a few more 2014 like loses, theie won't be any democratic party

The Democratic Party sat on a wall,
The Democratic Party had a great fall;
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put The Democratic Party back together again.

[karynnj]

34. that says something - HRC is not an incumbent President

However, I do not think you wrong in making the compsrison. The official party is treating it that way.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

14. Time to put it down and walk away

Take a holiday from politics. No DU, no talk radio, no Facebook or whatever. I guarantee, it won't change your vote.

I've been at DU since 2005 and look at my post total. I take frequent, long holidays. I've been witness to multiple cybersuicides here. Some leave suicide notes, with others, it's a "suicide by cop" thing.

[leftofcool]

20. Now that was funny! Please elaborate on the "cybersuicide by cop" thing

That was the funniest.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

22. You know, the guys who get sick of DU but won't leave

of their own volition. They spam and troll until they get banned by the mods.

[leftofcool]

24. Aha! Got it.

It's even more funny now.

[kath]

35. Walt Starr!

[DanTex]

15. Prediction markets still have the Dems up 60-40. All is not lost.

[Godhumor]

16. Hardly. Anytime there is a contested nomination people choose sides

And then, regardless of why they do it, after the nominee is decided almost everyone comes together to make sure the fuckheads in the other party don't take over.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Oh, I'd hold my nose and vote for Bernie

No money or walking though.



I'm slightly scared of some of his people.

[grntuscarora]

19. The Dems are fractured?

We're the flippin' Walton family compared to the Repukes.

[Journeyman]

21. As Colbert once remarked about another prognostication, "That's a sharp and very pointed analysis...

"It must have hurt a lot when you pulled it out."

[TheProgressive]

23. Republicans and Independents *will* vote for Sanders.

Only the 1% republicans will vote for Clinton.

[RobertEarl]

25. Independents are swingers

Lots will gladly party with Bernie

[Gregorian]

26. Listen, when you're up against Satin [sic], you get out and vote.

[Gothmog]

27. Really?

I expect that this primary contest to be over after Super Tuesday.

[RKP5637]

28. Yep, my concern is some democrats will sit home, pee their pants and feel warm and

fuzzy about not voting, as the country descends into unlivable for a very long time, especially as the SCOTUS nominations kick in, as President Cruz presides.

[brush]

31. Who says? You?

Prove it, as if we're anymore fractured than the repugs.

We outnumber them. They can no longer win the presidency, especially since they alienated Latinos, women, gays, Asian Americans and progressive whites. And you know they're not getting African American votes.

You're wrong. I don't know what your agenda is but we don't need you miscalculated doom and gloom.

[Trajan]

32. Doom and gloom, indeed ....

A hopeless pessimist ...

Doom and gloom goes on vacation

[Recursion]

33. It's got nothing to do with the primary and everything to do with structure

Just the way the system is set up, keeping the White House after 8 years is very, very hard. It's happened once since WWII.

[Kalidurga]

36. Nah we'll be all hugs and kisses by November.

Seriously, when we see Republicans coming we always hide behind the nearest Democrat.

[Tarc]

39. Whiny

Whichever one does not win the nomination will do all that he or she can to support the nominee, including exhorting their followers to join them in that support. Democrats are not morons like the GOP, we have the bigger picture in mind.

[mhatrw]

40. Debbie has done everything she could to screw the pooch.

But if Sanders is nominated, he will beat the Repukes silly with his 99% vs. 1% cudgel.

[brooklynite]

43. We've had exactly ONE State vote...

...I think things will settle down in the next month.

[FSogol]

44. Game over man, Game over...

[TheBlackAdder]

45. No We Can't! No We Can't! USA, We're #32! USA, We're #32! nt

[mvd]

46. I don't agree

The debate last night was more contentious than before, but they were respectful to each other. No name calling and personal insults like on the clown show side. Sometimes Hillary does give Sanders a bit of a look of loathing in debates, but I don't think it is personal. She just really expected an easy time. I think the party is divided between complete progressives like Sanders and people like Hillary who focus on the social issues and guns for progressiveness, but I can tell you I will be out there supporting and voting for whoever the nominee is. Not sure that will happen with Republican voters who did not get their candidate nominated.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. I agree only partially

I got a list of folks for whom I have zero respects for how personal they have gotten with posters here.

But some of us vote on policy. That does not mean i will ever respect or care for these people. I think DU will be more divided.

The Ds should be fine. 99 percent of the voters are not, as of yet, even paying attention. My locals, they won't until oh early May