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Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
5. The authorities know Hillary had a server at home.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:20 AM
Feb 2016

First issue: Please provide the evidence that Colin Powell or those associated with SoS Rice had a server at home. Haven't heard that they did. Heard it was just private email use.

There are laws about possession of classified material. If one has a server at home, that's possession.

Secondly, if you have a server in your home, it is not set up like the secure government servers designed for securing access to classified information - including the data pipeline attaching it to the network. That wasn't in place in Hillary's home.

Was it is place for Powell or Rice private email account? We don't know yet.

Thirdly, were any of the emails with Powell or Rice exchanges with the president? Not in the reports I've heard. But 18 of Hillary's were. Clinton-Obama emails are not being released because they are at the very least confidential - for obvious reasons. What is worse is that in those emails headers, the path for how the data traveled is stored. Now maybe the White House does some stuff at the start to strip some of that out but at some point, as the data travels to other routers, those routers identify the path the data took. That could reveal where the president is physically - which the secret service wouldn't like. And it may identify nodes of where hackers could sit and try to pick off secure information/White House network or break in to hack. Tell the class that the FBI were concerned with that when they spoke with Powell and Rice. There was no discussion of emails with the president with them in the article.

Fourth, emails with foreign countries can be "born classified". Convince us that never happened in communications with the SoS during Hillary's four years. You can't. It's absurd. So she is BSing the American people tonight trying to hide behind Powell and Rice cherry picked examples where the email was classified after the fact - probably leaked by a Clinton supporter. Powell and Rice did not set up servers at home to store "born classified" material - material not classified after the fact like Powell and Rice.

Very different situations.

Hillary deceived the American people cherry picking the example she did. She's in a lot more trouble that Powell and Rice. Whether they indict her remains to be seen. But the question was something to the effect of "could this hurt Hillary in the election?" Hillary BSed. The Kochs will be paying for ads to hammer Hillary on this. The GOP will be howling for an indictment, etc. This circus could go on beyond November because they still have the 30,000 deleted "private" emails that got recovered to crawl though - which have also been sued for under the FOIA - so that any deleted emails the FBI says the State Department should have will be made public - and the press, GOP and others will howl for obstruction of justice.

Hillary also signed a non-disclosure agreement that prtesents other legal problems for her if they want to go after her.

Hillary told the American people "no problem". I say it's just another lie. There's very,very likely more trouble on the horizon.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
8. David Petraus should have argued the "black book" he retained in his desk
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:58 AM
Feb 2016

wasn't marked classified, then everything would have been okie dokie.

She's not in real trouble until she's interviewed. That would mean the FBI is fairly confident they have a case against her.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
9. How could the FBI question question Colin Powell and not attempt to speak with Hillary?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:30 AM
Feb 2016

It's Hillary's emails that are at issue here. The GOP would go ballistic and I always hate to agree with them but it would be hard not to in this case.

So although Hillary tried to use Colin Powell's innocence tonight to preserve her innocence in the public eye, the bad part about that article to me is that it implies the FBI are going to sit Hillary down to have a chat. Can they do that confidentially? I'm not sure. But it's very likely to happen now.

She'd be one of the last they would speak with because they want to have all their evidence ducks lined up for their questions.

If you were her lawyer, wouldn't you tell her to plead the 5th?

She might not want to because if that got out, it might kill her campaign - particularly after what she said about the scandal tonight.

I do not see Hillary being convicted of anything based upon what she said if she pleads the 5th. It would be based upon what they found in terms of evidence.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
10. The only thing pleading the 5th would do is
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:35 AM
Feb 2016

prevent her from lying to the agents who questioned her.
If she's charged it will only be a misdemeanor, like Petraus. I can't believe they would go with a felony unless there's something really bad lurking in her server or the emails.

I hate when people point to others as an excuse for their actions.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
11. If it's just mishandling the secure info naively, misdemeanor maybe
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:40 AM
Feb 2016

If she gets caught being deceptive, and we all know she has that problem, then it could get more serious -like obstruction.

I thought her whole position on it tonight was pure deception. She could get a real smackdown and lose the election.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
12. She's relying on people not knowing classified information
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:44 AM
Feb 2016

need not be marked to be classified. And she should know better than to use that argument.
I don't think the FBI needs to interview her because they have the e-mails but I think it's part of the process.
I don't think this is going to go away any time soon....

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
7. Powell says the information, in the e-mails, circulated on the nonsecure system at DOS
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:53 AM
Feb 2016

before they were sent to him.
If this is the case, it's certainly not the same as receiving classified information and, unlike HRC, he didn't retain it in an unsecured location after leaving DOS

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