2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary said " I am running to be the first woman president"
This is the clearest reason that I have yet heard Hillary say is the reason that she is running to be president.
To be clear for many that is reason enough. For myself I am more attracted to Bernie's reason which is to bring revolutionary change to our government so that it services the people not the 1%
JudyM
(29,248 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)that isn't a great reason. There's a lot of great reasons to vote for her, but in this case she is talking about the wrong one.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)She was both a U.S. Senator and a Secretary of State. Also while not called it her work as first lady of Arkansas and the U.S. is equivalent to that of a senior staffer. She also did work prior as a junior staffer and in a private law practice. I don't support her in the primary, but she is hardly riding the coattails.
That being said her being a woman is not a reason to vote for or against her.
djean111
(14,255 posts)and fracking. To say that electing Hillary as the first woman president cancels all of those out is reprehensible.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Being a woman isn't one of them.
awake
(3,226 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)I'm just tired of people throwing Hillary's gender in my (our) face.
awake
(3,226 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)And I apologize if my statements came off that way. What I said was more in general terms that many people here and elsewhere constantly remind us that Hillary is female.
awake
(3,226 posts)Yes I prefer to focus on the issues
840high
(17,196 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)It's all about her. I, I, I. Me, me, me.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)But that is what our political system breeds, sadly. If you don't have a giant ego, you aren't likely to run and expose yourself to the nonsense.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)That is a matter of fact, not the reasoning behind her run.
Bernie is running to be the first self-identified socialist president, and the first Jewish president. Those, too, are matters of fact - and have nothing to do with his reasons for running.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)But it doesn't mean she's not still part of the establishment. She is.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Me me me
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:47 AM - Edit history (1)
I showed my 6 year old a picture of Pres. Obama today (the topic of Washington DC had come up and I asked her if she knew who lived there: she said American Girl [the doll store] and Pres. Obama). Then I told her he can only be president for one more year, and we are in the process of electing a new president. So I showed her first a picture of Bernie, and said he's one of the guys we like, and then one of Hillary, and I said I really hope that she becomes president. "A girl?" my daughter asked. "Girls can be president?!" Her voice clearly signaled surprise.
At 6 she already knows that this would be unusual.
So yes, voting for Hillary in part because she is a woman is a darn good reason. And no, that does not mean that Carly Fiorina would do. But a strong, accomplished and generally progressive woman like Hillary (even if she is not perfect) would do indeed. I would not vote just on gender (no one does), but I am not ashamed of the fact that gender is a factor, given the fact that the presidency has so far been an all-male club, and that I don't want my 6 year old to grow up thinking only boys belong in that club.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)not sure where your daughter got the idea that women cannot accomplish their goals. My daughter, who is now 30 and an internal medicine doctor, never once mentioned her gender as a barrier to success.
When Obama was running and someone asked about the color of his skin I always downplayed that fact and brought the conversation around to his views on the issues.
IMO there are many reasons to celebrate After the Fact.
Using one's race, gender or religion as a factor is not what we should be encouraging, so I disagree, voting based partially on gender is not 'a darn good reason.'
By the time your daughter is an adult there will be a woman president. My daughter, a registered Republican in HS, has switched parties to vote for Sanders. She sees the inequities every day in the HC industry and patients who cannot afford the needed care.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)challenging her ... because she is a woman? She was just So offended!
Need to find the exact quote, but I hate the fact that she plays the gender card when it suits her and also uses it to attack others when convenient.
Sorry, but you do not get to play this card 'at will.' Maybe in high school or college, but not when running for President of the US.
Thanks for the thread
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)when he was running for president?
I can't recall he used his race as a reason to vote for him.....
Maybe I'm wrong
jillan
(39,451 posts)treated as equals. (nope not there yet).
Every time I hear her say that it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It's everything I argued against.
There are things about Hillary I like and things I don't like. The fact that she has female genitalia has nothing to do with it.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Appealing to any ascribed characteristic, such as sex, ethnicity, race, religion, seems misguided.
It's only OK as a final add-on to a list of really legitimate reasons, such as a platform to bring prosperity and peace to all Americans by implementing policies that will make our economic system fair, etc.