After debate coverage: Times' Jay Newton-Small said that Hillary sounds shrill when she gets loud
whereas Bernie sounds passionate when he gets loud. She also thinks Bernie won the debate.
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Women are shrill, their laughter is a cackle, they don't age well, etc.
Hillary has heard them all and she's still standing.
Has been from the beginning. Shrill voice raised to a pitch of anger most of the time (except every so often when he remembers to tone it down, as his coaches have instructed), with flailing arms and wagging fingers, pointing at us as if we're all naughty children or criminals. It feels condescending and sometimes unhinged and unfocused. Not passionate to me at all. I'm just giving my honest, gut feeling of how the demeanor comes off to me (and to others).
I think Clinton hit it on the head when she asked him who made him the self-appointed arbiter of progressivism. (Funny he's so attached to that term, because the DLC adopted it to avoid the taint of the moniker "liberal."
He gives off that kind of feeling that he has all the answers and no one else is as committed as he. And yet his answers mostly lack any specifics; they're often just slogans that paint a dire, bleak picture of America. It's a bleakness that appeals to mostly white males, because it's the first time white males have felt their privilege risked, both economically and culturally. But it's a different story for, say, African Americans who, no matter how well off the middle class became in the 1950s as a result of things done in the 30s and 40s, never saw the other side of income equality or cultural equality. And you can break up as many banks as you want, but it's not going to solve that issue. When Roosevelt got Social Security passed in a Democratic Congress, most blacks and many women were entirely left out of the program. It took decades to move that program to be more inclusive. We still see many black workers, even when they can get union membership (by court order), fail to get the work or overtime that their white peers do. And we know women have lagged behind in pay for generations as well.
I'm drifting. But I'm mad. Because I've been in this fight my entire adult life, and I know what a long, hard slog it is. And I'm as committed as the next person. And I don't like being pointed at or lectured to. It's time to point back. There, I feel better.
progressivism"
Where did he say that? And if he's self-appointed doesn't that answer her question?
He is the progressive candidate in this race. He is the candidate most able to talk about what that is. And I completely disagree with most everything else you said.
We have all seen Hillary made about faces on a multitude of issues just to try and say what she thinks people want to hear. She has no position on anything, just statements about positions.
And the whole white male schtick has been done to death. I thought we were past that. Bernie isn't the one supported by the prison industry that keeps minorities locked up more than whites. Bernie fought for civil rights decades ago and has continued to do so for his entire career. Bernie has fought for women's rights his entire career. Bernie has fought for LGBT rights his entire career.
Hillary (and her supporters) set back feminism every time she and they play the gender card. It's embarrassing and insulting. She has lived a privileged life and had special circumstances to get her where she is today and it is offensive when she plays the gender card when there is no sexism happening at all just for political gain. She is a strong woman and it's embarrassing to see her use that ploy. She doesn't need to and she should set an example and show the world what a real woman is but for her it is anything to win, any tactic no matter what.
If anyone is pointing and lecturing to people it's Hillary. Bernie is the one who says "we" all the time, who says he can't do it alone, that it's not about him, it's about us. Hillary is the one who always says "I".
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That's not sexist. At all. 
most of us here don't get paid to be boring .
