Time Magazine: Who won the 5th debate?

[Ichingcarpenter]

37,500 votes so far

Two Democratic presidential candidates took to the stage for a debate Thursday night. Who do you think won?



http://time.com/4208867/democratic-debate-fifth-new-hampshire-poll-survey/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter


You all ''should look into it''

[TheSocialDem]

1. Bernie 86% v Hilary 14% (38,140 votes so far)

People are feeing Bernie's message

[senz]

2. Guess they don't have superdelegates and coin tosses at Time.

[grossproffit]

4. Or vote hundreds of times online. Oh wait.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Well that explains Hillary's votes so far

at least you got it past a few thousand

[grossproffit]

7. Trump wins every online poll too.

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. President Carter said he prefers Trump over Cruz

so I guess he votes on those polls too.

You guys think its a conspiracy .......... well
just create your own swarm and change the poll

or don't Clinton supporters use the internet?

[grossproffit]

11. I support both candidates.

I don't have a favorite. Thankfully, I still have objectivity.

[hedda_foil]

25. Answer: Not so much.

This is just my opinion, but because they tend to be 45+, I don't think a high percentage of Hillary voters use the internet for news and information. They may email and google, but they don't spend much time on social media except Facebook to check on what their friends and relatives are up to, and the doings of their assorted kids and grandkids. They don't use it much to express their political views. So broadcast "journalism" and other msm are their go-to's for political news.

I'm a 70 year old grandma, so I'm no kid, but like many other older DUers, I get 90% of my information online, and the vast majority of us are for Bernie. I think that's how the age split can be explained. 90% of engaged web users consistently give Bernie the highest marks in online polls. Apparently, only 10-15% Hillary voters are likely to try to find these polls.

But that's what makes these debates so valuable. They're the one place where limited web users can get a better understanding of what the candidates are up to.


I'm asleep on my feet, so I hope this makes sense.

[NanceGreggs]

34. And then there is the more logical explanation ...

HRC supporters are interested in the real polls - and understand that on-line polls are meaningless.

"I get 90% of my information online, and the vast majority of us are for Bernie."

Really? That's an interesting stat. Can you provide the links to the surveys/studies that have shown that "the vast majority" of those who get "90% of their information on-line are "for Bernie"?

TIA! I can't wait to see THIS survey!

[hedda_foil]

40. I was speaking of DU, Nance. We both know that DU trends older and that 90% of us are for Bernie

Whether my hypothesis can be extrapolated to the general population should be testable at some point by statisticians, but it's too early to do so now.

[tex-wyo-dem]

41. Okay...

"HRC supporters are interested in the real polls - and understand that on-line polls are meaningless. "

Can't wait for you to provide the links to those studies/surveys.

[NanceGreggs]

45. It's common sense, along with human nature.

If HRC was behind in the real polls, I would probably be looking for on-line polls that said what I wanted to hear, just to make myself feel better about my candidate's chances.

With HRC ahead in scientific polls, why would I bother with on-line polls - which, in the end, are meaningless? They don't screen out those not eligible to vote, nor do most of them prevent anyone from "voting" multiple times. Their only real value is allowing people whose candidate is lagging behind in real polls to convince themselves that the "real polls" are wrong.

If Bernie was ahead of HRC in legitimate polls, do you honestly think his supporters would be bothered with on-line polls? Why would they be? There would be no point.

[tex-wyo-dem]

47. I understand the difference between the polls...

But it still doesn't explain why, if Hillary is truly leading in the "real" polls, which is becoming less of a reality everyday btw, she doesn't have enough supporters online to do super simple online polls...if nothing else, just to show support for their candidate. I mean, if she were losing these things by 20 or 30 points, I would understand, but she's losing them by 70, 80, 90 points...makes no sense.

Still waiting for those studies/surveys.

[NanceGreggs]

48. I'm not sure what part of ...

... "on-line polls are meaningless" you don't get.

"If nothing else, just to show support for their candidate."

If my candidate is ahead in the REAL polls, why would I need to "show support" in a FAKE poll?

[tex-wyo-dem]

49. I'm not talking about you...

I know you think they are meaningless. Fine. Who I'm referring to are the tens of thousands of other Hillary supporters that are online all the time that you would think would take a few seconds and click on these polls since they are so simple and are a quick way to show support for her.

Simple concept.

[NanceGreggs]

50. Again ...

Why would anyone take the time - a few seconds or otherwise - to participate in an on-line poll they know to be meaningless?

Why bother?

[tex-wyo-dem]

52. Now your presuming a vast majority of...

Hillary supporters think exactly the way you do...that these polls are a waste of time and aren't worth even the few seconds to click on Hillary's name and show support, however insignificant it is.

Hogwash.

My theory, FWIW: a pretty good majority who read articles online, such as the TIME article that this poll is embedded in, are younger people (under age 40-45). And as the "real" polls show, Bernie has much greater support in this age group than Hillary and, thus, is reflected in these "worthless" online polls.

[NanceGreggs]

53. It's not a matter of who is for BS and who is for HRC ...

It's a matter of whose candidate is behind in the real polls, and who needs the quick fix that an on-line poll can give.

When your candidate is ahead in the real polls, you have no reason to go searching for on-line polls that support that. When your candidate is behind in the real polls, you turn to on-line polls as an alternative to facing reality.

[PonyUp]

42. Guess that's why she spent $720,000 on polls last quarter, more than top 6 repugs combined.

And $1.9 million in the quarter before that. What a waste.
She's trying to spend all her money before she loses and it goes to Bernie.

[NanceGreggs]

43. So what?

Maybe if Bernie used polls to find out what's going on in 2016 instead of talking about what went on forty years ago, he wouldn't be lagging behind her.

[cali]

44. Lol. Bernie is the ultimate underdog and

Hillary is as close to being an incumbent as can be imagined. In addition, she's the one stuck in the last century and running an anachronistic campaign.

[NanceGreggs]

46. Bernie has been making the same speech for decades.

You've heard one, you've heard them all.

[cali]

54. Yes and no. I've heard him opine on many issues

But then I'm a Vermonter.

[840high]

3. 86-14 Bernie

[gyroscope]

5. Challenges Obi-Won Kenobi to debate

...predictably gets spanked by the old Jedi master.

Be careful what you ask for Hillary, you just might get it.

[MrWendel]

8. What????

there was another swarm to an online poll?

[TheBlackAdder]

14. So, are you saying that HRC's people aren't passionate enough, just SBS's people? I don't buy it! nt

[MrWendel]

15. Me either...

not all of them live on the net.

[TheBlackAdder]

16. By an 85/15 ratio? Come one, the optics of your comment don't bear reality! nt

[MrWendel]

22. You honestly...

think any of that majority ain't millennials that had their minds made up before the debate? You think that there is a accurate balance of all groups in that poll? The internet click polls are useless.

[liberal_at_heart]

24. Those damn kids. Get off my lawn.

[MrWendel]

26. That was the ....

John McCain rally cry actually.

[liberal_at_heart]

28. Do you mean the Canadian border? It seems that most of the people over staying their

visas are actually from Canada. Pro war. Anti immigration. Are you sure you are a liberal?

[MrWendel]

29. You too?

Is there a rigid definition of liberal? Is anyone really in lock step with all the rules and policies to the letter of what it is to be liberal? Define the ultimate uncompromising definition of a liberal.

And actually. I confused this thread with another one I was writing in. About Foreign policy.

[liberal_at_heart]

30. I used to be a Democrat back when the Democratic platform was anti war and pro social services.

That doesn't seem to be the Democratic platform anymore and therefore I am a liberal Independent. I guess you could call me a Democratic Socialist like Bernie. Whether he wins or loses I plan on helping to further the cause of Democratic Socialism because we need to get back to taking care of the people of this country and not just the corporations and the war machine. You can call yourself a liberal if you want. You can call yourself anything you like. I really don't care.

[MrWendel]

31. Then ...

why ask the question? You do you, I'm not interested in changing your mind. Come the general, we mostly will go back to being one big dysfunctional family pulling (mostly) in the same direction.

[liberal_at_heart]

32. I choose not to discuss who I will vote for in the GE. I don't plan on saying anything that will

get me kicked off the site.

[Matariki]

9. Great disclaimer

A disclaimer: Online reader polls like this one are not statistically representative of eligible primary voters. They are a measure, however imprecise, of which candidates have the most energized online supporters, or most social media savvy fan base. After all, what they are counting is the number of Internet-devices controlled by people who want to vote.

[mikehiggins]

12. true enough

I went to the site but couldn't figure out how to vote. I think all the security programs on my computer keeps getting in the way.

Probably figures this stupid human spends too much time on the net/

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. Its rather active and you have to wait

for the names to come up when it finally loads

then you click on either Hillary or Bernie, your vote is then tabulated and you see the results.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I love the disclaimer

Too bad I need to "vote" to see the number

[gyroscope]

17. You don't think Hillary supporters read Time magazine?

Time is THE quintessential magazine of the baby boomer generation, Hillary's biggest demographic.

And yet she got spanked on their poll.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I really don't care if they do or not

I did love the disclaimer. Could not be truer.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

20. Trump has won virtually every online debate poll. I think he has lost every debate,

Hell, Ron Paul would be President if we judged the online polls. I think he won everyone of them.

[gyroscope]

21. I could care less what crazy republicans think about their crazy candidates

if Hillary had won the Time poll you would be cheering.

[grossproffit]

35. +1 for the truth

[Art_from_Ark]

37. This baby boomer hasn't cared much for TIME since the 1980s

when it started to become a higher brow version of PEOPLE magazine.

[Binkie The Clown]

23. With Bernie at only 86% watch for the MSM & HRC group to declare Hillary the winner. n/t

[amborin]

27. done

[Petrushka]

33. At 3:15 a.m. --->

Two Democratic presidential candidates took to the stage for a debate Thursday night. Who do you think won?

Hillary Clinton
14 %
Bernie Sanders
86 %

54,515 Votes

[bigwillq]

36. Bernie!

Didn't watch the debate but I love voting in meaningless internet polls!

[Ichingcarpenter]

38. Me too.......... cause I can vote a thousand times for

Hillary ............ and she still loses.

[LiberalArkie]

39. I think Bernie usually wins in the polls is that his voters are more politically active.

Most of my neighbors do not vote in the primaries and just vote the party in november. My brother in law is a weird one, solid Hillary but just recently replaced his Hillary bumper sticker with a Trump one after he bought one of the assault weapon clones. Really. I have no idea of how that came about or for what reason.

[napi21]

51. I thought Bernie won, but I am surprised by the percentage!

I would have thought it to be much closer like 65-45 maybe. However, it's very pleasant surprise.